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Thank you very much for your fast response in having 2 male Dobermans. I am now satisfied and convinced not to get another male. I will now consider a female Doberman puppy. My male is now ??? weeks old and he will be attending puppy obedience training class in Dec, so I will have the knowledge of training the female.
I wound like to know your opinion on purchasing the female now or waiting until the male becomes a bit older. Would they be less trainable because we all know how playful Doberman puppies can be at a young age...also, I never had a female not spayed ever before. I will consider having her spayed but if I do not spay her please give me advice and knowledge of what to look for when the bitch goes into heat cycle so that I may act at the right time.
Also I was told that bitches go into heat twice a year for about 3 weeks a year. How much blood is involved when they have their cycle?
Thank-you very much for all your help and advice.
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Hi Michael - glad you have made the right decision - you will not regret it.
Raising two youngsters at the same time is a BIG job, very big. they are like
children in that they will mimic each other and if one is bad then they both
will be - funny to watch but not to live with. You mention that you are taking
your boy to obedience class which is wonderful. Spend a while, perhaps until
he is trained a bit and listens and respects you, then look for your girl.
That way she can mimic the correct behavior and the boy can teach her good
things instead of bad. You will need to start obedience with her also so
unless you have an awful lot of free time it is better to wait until your boy
is trained.
Girls generally come into season every 6 to 7 months and bleed for 21 days.
The first signs are swelling of the vulva which can happen a week to a day
before bleeding begins. Once they begin to bleed they can stay with the male
for about 5 to 6 days and need to be separated. Every female is different and
some bleed heavy, some don't. You can buy panties to put on her in the house
which will keep any mess down. As Marj said, generally we allow the bitch to
go through one season, however, the veterinary community is now advocating
spaying at a younger age. I do not like to see a female spayed before about 10
months and a male at about one year.
If you are not showing your male then I would have him neutered before you get your female, or at least when the female is very young - then you will not run the risk of an accidental breeding.
Hope this helps you.
Good luck.
A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Dobermans, USA
You're
welcome Michael. It has been my experience over the years that it would be
best to wait until your male is older and neutered (around 12-14 months of
age). He will then hopefully be better able to help manners train her in the
house.
Personally I would spay her after her first heat cycle, usually around 10
months or so. The rule of thumb with heat cycles is
one week in, one week ready and one week out. That is 3 weeks of bleeding and
we're talking pretty often heavy bleeding although this can vary. I use a doggy diaper and liners or pads
with my girls and it becomes a serious task keeping them changed plus a lot of
bitches will end up eating the diaper and liners if you don't train them
right. (read watching them like a hawk the first while they have them on).
And last but not least coming in 2 times a year is the average...some bitches come in 3 times a year and some less...nothing involving Mother Nature is written in stone. :>(((
I recently bought a 12 wk old beautiful male Doberman. He is now 15 weeks old and such a joy. I’m very interested in getting another male Doberman and having them grow up together. I really do want another male. I have read some stories about having 2 male Dobermans and when they get to be adults, even if they grow up together, they will fight for dominance and I will be looking for nothing but trouble and they say I will have to eventually give 1 up later on. Is there any truth to this as I really want another male? One of the requirements from the breeder is that you should not spray or neuter because it will void the lifetime guarantee and I really don’t want a female as I think it will be hard to keep them apart when she goes into heat.
Please know that I am 43 and have had dogs all my life including a male Bullmastiff that I had since he was 8 wks old and had to recently put down at 11 yrs due to illnesses.
Please provide me with as much information on having 2 male Dobermans as soon as possible.
Thank you.
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Michael - There is every truth in NOT having two Doberman males, or any male
with another Doberman male - it does not work and you will have more problems
than anyone would want - not to mention that the dogs may get seriously hurt, if
not you as well. Has it been done? Yes, but not often and usually with multi
problems. It is not worth the risks involved.
Any responsible breeder would insist that you neuter a companion dog that is not
being shown or bred - male or spay a female. Dogs not being shown or bred should
be spayed or neutered around a year old so you would not have a problem with a
neutered male and spayed female, which is the best mix. Perhaps you need to
explore the possibility of another breeder? Regardless of your experience, it is
not a good idea to put two Doberman males in the same home.
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
Hello Mike,
It is not recommended that you have 2 male Doberman Pinschers in the same household for the reasons that you mention in your email. Those reasons are true.
You can re-consider getting a female and have her spayed after her first heat period and before the second heat period. You will have to make sure that they are separated during that one heat cycle of course but you could board her out for that time.
I would also consider having your dog neutered when he is about 14 to 18 months old if I were you.
If you do get a female, consider buying from a breeder that will allow you to spay her. Not being able to neuter your male at the correct time in his life is an odd reason to void a lifetime guarantee.
Good luck with your new buddy.
Q: from Pam
Date: 15 Nov 09
I'm looking to ask a couple questions to other Dobe owners who's Dobe's have
gone through Herniated Disc surgury and the recovering process. Do you have any
idea on how or where I can post a question?
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
Hello Pam,
I have not experienced any of my dogs going through the Herniated Disc
surgery. I also have wirehaired dachshunds and I have been very lucky and
haven't had any of them go through this either. I have heard that the recovering
process is long. The only place that I can figure for you to post your question
is with a veterinarian that has performed this surgery.
You can try googling Canine Herniated Disc surgery or just plain Canine
Herniated Disc disease and find out a lot about it this way too.
Here is an article that I found
http://www.vetmed.lsu.edu/vth&c/Orthopedics/Disc%20Disease%20Web.pdf
I hope that this helps you get started.
Thank you.
Q: from Elaine Mendoza
Date: 15 Nov 09
Question: How to fix ears that were cropped poorly.
Puppy is 3 months old now. Can we purchase a cone or frame for her to help her
ears stand up?
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Elaine - Normally one would contact the Breeder or the vet who cropped the ears
for assistance. If this is not an option, then I would go to the DPCA Breeders
Referral List at www.dpca.org and look for a
Breeder in your area and call them for help. They might help you themselves (I
always help people who have problems), or they may refer you to a vet and clinic
in the area who are adept at ear cropping and wrapping.
The first place I would go is to the breeder of the puppy. The pup is only 3
months old and you have plenty of time to correct a problem.
Q: from Cliff Smith
Date: 12 Nov 09
I have a Dobie that I got from a rescue. I asked AKC if he was pure breed by
send them the litter number. I can not get a family tree as I do not have all
the information on the parents, only their names and AKC cannot give me the
breeders name so I could get this info. can you help?
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
If you have an AKC litter number then you pretty much know that your dog is from
a pure bred litter. It is often hard to track dogs from a rescue situation but
if there was a litter registered under the number you have the dog is pure bred.
Being pure bred does not mean that the dog is from a quality breeder but could
be. One can apply for an "Indefinite listing privilege" number on the dog by
filling out the form (you can get this from the AKC
website), following the directions, and submitting the form with pictures of
the dog and a fee. This would allow you to compete in performance events with
your dog - obedience, agility, etc.. AKC must determine, by the form and
pictures, that the dog is pure bred. Hope this help you.
Q: from Dave Vanz
Date: 12 Nov 09
I've been intrigued by Doberman's my entire life but have not had much
interaction with any. (just one family growing up, and that was minimal) I'm
interested in exploring the Doberman as possible family dog in the next two
years and would like to use this time to get to the breed beyond information
found on the internet. I live in Michigan and I was wondering if there are any
shows coming up that I might have the chance to go to with my family?
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
If you go to the American Kennel Club website -
www.akc.org - you will find a link to Conformation Events and then to
Licensed Superintendents. Go to the list of Supers and they will all have lists
of upcoming shows - you can then find the ones that are close to you and plan to
attend. A wonderful way to find out about our Breed and others. Visit shows and
go and talk to breeders, handlers and owners and you will get a wealth of
information. Good Luck!
Q: from Owen Landis Sr.
Date: 11 Nov 09
Question: Choosing A Breeder
My 7 year old Doberman "Abe" was put to rest last week because of a condition
called Dilated Cardiac Myopia. Is there any way to screen for this? We want to
get another one of these magnificent creatures, but we are afraid of the same
heartbreak!
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Every breed has medical conditions that plague the dogs - Dobermans are no
different. Unfortunately, Cardiac disease (Cardiomyopathy in particular) is a
disease that is in the Doberman breed and in ALL lines to some degree. As a
Breed, those of us involved have worked for many years to raise money for
research of the disease and some progress has been made, but not enough. We do
test our dogs for cardiac disease but , like humans, dogs can develop the
conditions at any time. That being said, responsible breeders try very hard to
breed away from Cardio and breed the dogs that are the most healthy with parents
who are healty and long lived. There are no guarantees regardless.
Do your homework with breeders and ask questions about health testing, parents
testing and how long the ancestors have lived and what they have died of. No one
can tell you they have "clean" lines because this does not exist. I know that it
is heartbreaking to lose a dog one loves so much, however, it would be more
heartbreaking for me to not have Dobermans in my life.
Q: from Joshua Ransom
Date: 6 Nov 2009
Hi,
I'm not currently interested in breeding a litter of Dobes myself but at
some point in the future I do plan to do so. I'm curious to know how the
process of leasing a bitch works (assuming that you are a responsible
individual and the bitch owner agrees and trust you w/a lease and agrees
on the selected stud). Mainly I'm curious about the different agreements
people reach in terms of who whelps the litter, the usual price range for
a lease (i know this depends on the individual bitch) etc. Any information
on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much for this resource, I've used this Q & A forum numerous
times and always find the answers thorough and most helpful, it's truly an
invaluable tool for the novice Dobe owner wishing to make informed
decisions.
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Joshua - It is unusual for anyone to "lease" a bitch for breeding,
especially to someone who has never bred a litter. Your best course would
be to find a good breeder, buy a female puppy, raise and show the girl and
work with your breeder for a first litter to learn. Breeding is a HUGE
endeavor and one not to be taken lightly. Usually , when you buy a quality
female, the breeder will have a contract in which you agree to breed the
bitch at least one time. Sometimes the breeder whelps the litter,
sometimes they will assist you in doing so. Usually the Stud is picked
mutually but with great input from the Breeder as they know the dogs far
better than a novice. Then you agree to the terms as to expenses and
whelping, etc. I do not know of anyone reputable who would lease a novice
a quality bitch to breed - just won't happen.
Q: from Jerome Podell
Date: 11 Nov 09
Question: Choosing A Breeder
I am a founding breeder of Havanese. There is a movement in that breed to
allow self pigmented blues in the standard revision.
Are there any issues in health, eye, hearing in blue Dobermans vs
the standard colors?
Thank you.
A: from Holly Schorr, Pennylane Dobermans, USA
Hi Jerome - Blue/Rust is an accepted color in our standard and I do not
know of any health problems, per se, that are associated with a blue
pigment. However, that being said, we do see some issues with coat
problems (alopecia) in our blues and fawns. These are dilutions of our red
and black coats. Not all have problems, some do. This is associated with
the dilution factor. As far as eyes, hearing , etc.
I am not aware of any problems in our breed. I am not familiar with
your breed so cannot comment in that area.
We do have articles on our website about
dilution - you might want to read them and see if there seems to be any
connection.
Best of luck.
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
Hello Jerome,
I don't know about any health issues that plague the blue pigmented
Havanese.
As far as I know the blue Doberman is not prone to eye problems or hearing
problems versus the standard colors. However, the blue Doberman does have
it's issues. One of them is that they, but not all of them, can have Color
Dilute Alopecia. Here are a couple of articles from our DPCA Breeders
Education articles page about the blue Doberman.
Here is an article that is found on the canine Inherited Canine Database
website under Doberman Pinscher.
http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/intro.htm.
Go to Dog Breeds, then Doberman Pinscher and then to Color Dilution
Alopecia.
I hope that this helps you.
Thank you.
Taryn - I am sorry but I do not know the answer to this question. I will begin research but it will take a bit. Hopefully, in the meantime, Marj Brooks will jump in and answer you - I am of the mind that Marj knows ALL. I will try and find an answer for you however.
If you click onto Legislative Corner and go to that link there is a line that says
"Let us hear about your concerns." Just click on that and you will get a
contact email form.
Thank you.
However, if an organization were to allow your Doberman to participate in a sanctioned test and would issue either a title certificate or verifiable documentation proving that the dog has fulfilled their requirements for achieving a title, you would be welcome to advertise the dog as having earned the " insert said organizations title abbreviation here" title according to the rules of the specific organization. As carting rules differ from organization to organization, it is imperative that the club/organization that awarded the title or confirmation of meeting their requirements be identified in any advertising.
Canadian Kennel Club carting tests are open to all breeds capable of doing the work, this title can be advertised without further explanation as long as any advertising identifies that it is a CKC title.
You can go to www.DPCA.org and then to Breeder Referral and then click onto your state and find reputable and responsible Doberman breeders who may then direct you to a club in your area. You can also go to Chapter Clubs and find a Doberman Club in your area and contact them for information.
Last Updated 11/19/2009