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Q: from Maria Martinez
Date: September 8, 2003
Time: 21:12:12
 
Comments: Doberman Health
 
Hi. My Doberman puppy is 15 weeks old and weighs 29 lbs. After the ear cropping he became sick and lost weight. I was wondering how much he should be weighing now and is his height doing good as well.
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Just weighing a puppy is not going to tell you if he/she is over, under or normal weight because every pup grows differently. The best way to judge this is to just look at the dog.  Are any ribs or hipbones showing?  Does he look thin to you or fat?  You didn't mention why he became sick and how long ago it was and if he gained his normal weight back at all.

Talk to his breeder or someone who knows the Doberman breed that can see him and ask them if the pup is in good weight.

 

 
Q: from Sheila
Date: September 9, 2003
Time: 20:00:37
 
Comments: Doberman Health
 
I have a 4 month old Dobie. At first she had these things under her neck that looked like moles. I took off her collar to see if they would go away but she keeps getting more on other parts of her body. What are they and what should I do. The Vet doesn't have any idea. Thank you.
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Most moles are caused by a virus of some sort.  I'd take the dog to another Vet or a Dermatologist Vet for another opinion.

If it's bumps it could be from Staph but a Vet is the only one who can diagnose and treat something like this.
 

 
Q: from Teri Hoke
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2003
Time: 18:03:40

Comments: Breeding the Doberman
 
When should I expect my Dobe to go into heat for the first time?  She is now almost 7 months old.
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Bitches come into season anytime from 6 months of age to 15 months.  Occasionally I've
heard of some coming in at 5 months but the average is about 8 or 9 months of age.
 

Q: from Roland R. Ryall
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2003
Time:10:39:34
 
Comments: Grading the Doberman Puppy
 
I am troubled by the answer on Doberman's coats...are cowlicks acceptable when showing or are points taken away?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Hello Roland,

You didn't say where you are from.  In Australia and England Cowlicks are frowned upon.

Here in the U.S. and Canada, they are not taken into consideration.  Many, many of the top Dobes have had cowlicks of varying sizes and shapes on the nose, neck, shoulder, end of rib cage, and under the throat.

I always look for them in my own litters as most of those in by breeding have been the best ones when they have a cowlick.

 


Q: from Holly Broughton
Date: Monday, September 1, 2003
Time: 23:51:48
 
Comments: WAE and Hives?
 
Hello,
 
I am not sure if you can help with this or not but I am very interested in having my Doberman bitch go through the WAE.  I am not sure how to find out when they hold the tests in my area or maybe they don't.  I live in North Central MN.  I tried contacting the Doberman club in the Twin Cities, but received no response.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. 
 
I am considering breeding her later on down the road but of course that would be after the necessary health tests are done. I am currently showing her in the breed and obedience. 
 
You mentioned that they should have the WAE done before breeding takes place but would it be wrong to breed her if there is not a test in my area and therefore I cannot get it done. I want to try to do everything right as best I can.
 
I plan on continuing with the obedience (she already has two legs toward her CDX at 22 months old) and is a CGC and a certified therapy dog (TDI) so she has had temperament testing done in those respects. 
 
Also when I take her to shows she breaks out in hives on her neck and back but they usually start getting better towards the end of the weekend and of course are completely gone when I return home.  Have you seen this before, other people have told me it is probably just stress related. She doesn't act stressed though and is a very easy going girl. We have a Dane that does the same thing.  Thanks for your time and sorry this is so long!
 
A:
from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
Your bitch sounds like she has a lovely disposition.  No, it's not necessary for her to have a WAE certificate before breeding but it is helpful as are other factors.  You say you show your bitch in breed.  I take it then she's show quality.  I'd contact her breeder for info on a suitable stud dog for her as well.

You might contact Terri Devlin (DDecodobes@aol.com) and she might be able to give you some info on any WAE tests in the MN area.

As to breaking out in hives, it sounds like it might possibly be bathing her prior to showing.  It sometimes causes hives if the shampoo is not mild enough or more importantly, if she is not rinsed thoroughly.  Make sure she is rinsed completely under legs and belly and soapy water doesn't get between her toes that isn't rinsed off.  Since this also happens to your Dane as well this might be the cause.  Also, re-consider any coat sprays or anything you might put on her before being shown.
 
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A: from Darlene Young, Darwin Dobermans, USA
 
For WAE tests in your area, I believe you can go to the DPCA web site and there should be a link to test dates and locations.  That's www.dpca.org.  Good luck.
 

Q: from Cathy Tilley

Date: Monday, September 1, 2003
Time: 06:03:54

Comments: Where did my Doberman come from?
 
I rescued a 3 month old Dobie from our animal shelter. He has a tattoo on his inner right leg/thigh area. I think its a breeder's tattoo:  BD67.  I adore this dog and would love to find his origin to possibly buy another.  Thank-you!
 

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Since this is not a national tattooing number, it may be the breeder's initials and the number might be the number of pups this breeder has had. Its just a thought.
 
There really is no way other than the information the shelter might give you to find out the origin of this pup.

I sure as heck wouldn't try to find this breeder to buy another pup.  He obviously didn't care where THIS one went.  Just love it and find a good, reputable, ethical breeder for your next pup.
 
A: from Darlene Young, Darwin Dobermans, USA
 
I believe tattoos are very difficult to trace unless someone recognizes the type of tattoo. 
 
You might try contacting a rescue organization in your area as they are fairly familiar with the local breeders and their habits.  There may be one that uses tattoos such as you describe.
 

 
Q: from Gilbert
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2003
Time: 10:50:24

Comments: Breeding the Doberman
 
The vet already saw my Dobe and he said that it's okay because its not yet been a month. So why am I worried? The vet only prescribed medicine that could stop the bleeding but still I'm worried. She is still bleeding but only a few drops the color of which is black mixed with red. It's already been 6 days and she still has spotting.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

My suggestion is to see another Vet that specializes in breeding.


 
Q: from Sandra Menders
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003
Time: 19:54:46

Comments: Tail Docking
 
We had all the Doberman puppies tails docked at 3 days old.  Mom kept licking the stitches out.  I brought the puppies in 3 times to the vets to have them stitched again but Mom still licked them out. Know the puppies are going to have scar tissue on the ends.  Can they be fixed when we have the ears cropped??
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
Many, many bitches lick out stitches.  Most breeders stay glued to the whelping box 24/7 for the first week after docking.  Even then these bitches will find a way to get to them.

The best advice is to leave the tails alone and wait until docking time and have them re-done if they are bad.  Usually once the stitches are removed the bitch leaves them alone.  Many breeders have tried to glue the tails with some success, others try no stitches and some have even tried using sheep castration instruments that put a rubber band around the tail and it slowly slough's off.  All these things have had some success but many have not been any better.


Do not wait until cropping to dock tails however.  It is a major operation and quite painful unless absolutely necessary.
 
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A: from Darlene Young, Darwin Dobermans, USA
 
Yes the tails can be re-docked at ear cropping time.  If the scar tissue is not attached to the bone it's very easy to clip it off and stitch it back up.  Sometimes the tails will heal from an over zealous mom without even leaving scar tissue.  I would leave them alone until you have the ears done.  They may not be as bad as they seem now.
 


Q: from Gilbert
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003
Time: 07:29:56

Comments: Breeding the Doberman
 
I've a problem with my female Doberman...she already finish her stud session and after 18 days she had spotting again. Is there a possibility that she could lose her puppies if she is pregnant?
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
It's not unusual for a bitch to spot a couple weeks after breeding. Sometimes it means nothing and sometimes she is aborting the fetus'. Take the bitch to the Vet immediately to make sure she doesn't have an infection or pyometra.

I've had it occur with no problems and have had a normal litter as well but be on the safe
side and take her right away to the Vet.
 

 
Q: from Sandra Menders
Date: August 24, 2003
Time: 18:42:54
 
Comments: Grading the Doberman Puppy
 
Why do a couple of my Doberman Puppies have white patches on their chest?
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

There is a spotting gene in the Doberman.  We try and breed for no spots but on occasion, they will pop up.  It's a fault but just a few white hairs is not.  A spot over 1/2 inch is very faulty in the show ring.
 

 
Q: from Craig Rallion
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2003
Time: 22:34:15

Comments: Doberman Growth
 
My brother is worried because his Doberman at 12 months is only 24 inches tall while my Doberman at 10 months is already 27 inches tall. Both dogs have the same father. Will his dog still grow taller? What is the ideal height of a Doberman at 1 year of age?
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Well, just as in people, some brothers are taller than others.  I'd say the smaller may get some additional height up to about 18 mo. but he may not. Hard to say.  Just the way the genes fall.  Actually, he just needs to grow a 1/2 inch to be ideal in size according to the Doberman Standard.
 

Q: from Jim Gooss

Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2003
Time: 18:42:00

Comments: Breeding the Doberman
 
We just purchased a three month old female Doberman to eventually be bred with our eleven month old male Doberman. However, when we received the females three generation pedigree from AKC we realized that they both share the same great-grandfather. If we breed them, first is it safe and second can the litter be registered with the AKC? Thank you for your time. I look forward to getting your response.
 
A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Absolutely...that is what is termed a line breeding. Before you do breed though please get any and all health testing on both dogs done as well as learn all that you possibly can about breeding and whelping. It is also hoped that you would show your dogs to their championship before you would even consider breeding them.
 

 
Q: from Craig Rallion
Date: August 19, 2003
Time: 04:41:49

Comments:
Doberman Health
 
My Doberman excretes bloody diarrhea every time I feed him Purina HiPro dog food. Is this related to the dog food or are there other causes?

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
 
You need to first get a fresh stool sample and along with your dog, go to the veterinarian and follow his/her advice. First you must check for internal parasites then go from there.

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 A:  from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Most top brand dog foods are fine for most dogs, however some dogs may have an allergy to some of the ingredients.  If the diarrhea is ONLY caused when feeding this food, common sense tells you to discontinue it.

I would however take a small sample of the bloody stool in to the Vet as well as take your dog for a complete examination.  Could be hookworm or whipworms or coccidiosis or Giardia.  Many things may cause bloody diarrhea.

Do not waste time.  See your Veterinarian.  It could be quite serious.
 


Q: from Natalie C.
Date:August 16, 2003
Time: 21:13:56

Comments: Puppy Cost $
 
I am purchasing a puppy this winter and I am curious to know how much I will be spending at my vet.  The ears and shots, etc. (thanks)

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think part the answer to this question will depend on where you live. I live in Northern California which I believe is a lot more expensive than a lot of areas. Your Veterinarian or his receptionist should be able to give you this information over the phone.
 
One thing that I can tell you though is that most breeders have the ears cropped before you get the puppy. I don't know if you have a puppy picked out yet but that is something that you can look for and easily find in a breeder. That is, a puppy already cropped and
some of the vaccination program already started.
 
Another thing is oftentimes a breeder can help you with the ears if you are close and/or they can set you up with another breeder in your area that can help. There are articles on this web page that can help you too with the after care of the ears (taping).

I hope I was able to provide some assistance to you.
 
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A: from Darlene Young, Darwin Dobermans, USA
 
The cost of vet services vary from State to State but you can expect to pay anywhere from $200.00 to $300.00 for an individual ear crop.  Shots can cost quite a bit at the vet but a lot of states have shot clinics where you can take your puppy in for a much lower cost. Check with your local pet stores for these clinics.  However, you do need to be sure you are getting good vaccination protection from Parvo and other puppy illnesses. 
 
Some vets will charge you for an office visit and vaccine (usually $15-20 or more).  Most breeders order the vaccines from a pet supply and give their puppies the parvo/distemper etc. vaccines.  If you have a litter this is the least expensive way to protect the puppies.
 
Hope this helps. 
 

Q: from Phil
Date: August 16, 2003
Time: 8:09:02

Comments:
Breeding the Doberman
 
What causes the Dobie bumps and how can you get rid of them?
 
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

A person would have to have a little more information about your Doberman and possibly even see him/her before they could advise you. I would advise you to take your Doberman to your vet. Sometimes young Dobermans get what I call a staph infection call folliculitis that causes bumps. It is normally treated with an antibiotic for 3-4 weeks. He could also have an allergy or any number of problems. Please see your veterinarian about these bumps.
 

Q: from Angie M

Date: August 15, 2003
Time: 18:20:06

Comments:
 
I have rescued a 1 1/2 year old male Doberman/Chocolate Lab mix from my local SPCA. His coat and markings look like a red Doberman but his head and body shape are Lab. I have also just purchased a red Doberman puppy (female) who is 9 weeks old right now. The Lab is fixed and she will be too as soon as she is old enough. Right now they get along famously. He is very patient with her and you don't normally see one without the other. He lets her take food away from him as well as any toy he is playing with. Sometimes she seems to be very aggressive with him (growling, barking in his face, jumping at his head). He deals very well with this and I always try to separate them when she gets too excited.
 
This is my first experience with a Doberman puppy and I was wondering if this is normal puppy behavior or should I be doing something other than separating them and making her calm down? I have had experience with this breed in the past but always with adults. I'm a little unsure what pups generally act like. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Also she seems to want to eat my cat. She will listen to me when I tell her no but she consistently goes for the cat every time until I make her stop. The other Dobermans I had co-existed with my cats without a problem so I know it can be done, any suggestions other than get rid of the cat?
 
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
 
Don't get rid of the cat! You need to start teaching your new little Doberman her parameters. When she chases and bites the cat or your older dogs face or your hands or whatnot, you need to intervene and go to her and tell her "NO" or "LEAVE IT" (in a growl like tone-like mamma dog would) and stay with her and keep at it (correct her) until she stops and then praise her. Another way is to do all of the above and tell her NO, GOOD GIRL when she stops and give her a toy saying "TAKE THIS". If she is really wild you can take her by the scruff of the neck and push her to the floor using the growling tone and the word "NO"! One of the articles below explains this further.
 
Your puppy is not too young for you to start training and for her to learn the word, "NO" as well as other things. There are several articles on this site for you to read for guidance. Here are a few of my suggestions:
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/nipnipping.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/outmeansno.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/Isaidwait.htm
 
You can also check out our articles page for yourself for more -- it is located at www.breedered.com/article_menu.htm.
 
You can also buy the book, Super Puppy, How to Raise The Best Dog You'll Ever Have, by Peter J. Vollmer at www.superpuppy.com for $8.95. It will be a great investment.

Again I say that your puppy is not too young to start training and learning the word, "NO".  I have a saying and that is anything that you do not want your dog to do at 60 to 90 pounds, don't let her ever do it at any age. I hope that this helps.

Oh yes, give your older dog a break from her too once in a while. Also teach the puppy to respect him while he is eating. One day she will but she should still learn to do so now. You need to be the boss of the dogs. The longer that you let her get away with this disrespectful and unruly behavior, the worse she is going to become.
 

 
Q: from Melissa McKie
Date: August 7, 2003
Time: 13:39:11

Comments: Feeding
 
I will see the vet Saturday when we go for our Proheart but I want to call upon your expertise as well.  My 12 month Doberman has very loose stool. I feed him Innova dry food which is supposed to be very good and is expensive. The only supplement I give him is fish oil/omega fatty acid capsule (forget name of product) every other day. I used to feed him Nutro but at 6 months his hair was splotchy and I didn't know if he had a food allergy or staph. Treated staph with vet, had thyroid checked (normal) and changed diet. His coat looks great but loose stool every day. Somebody mentioned switching to Natural Brand by Royal Canin.  Any thoughts on the what to feed a Doberman? I loved Nutro but it didn't have things like apples and carrots and other vegetables. My Doberman loves the taste of Innova. Thanks so much.
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
Just as in people, some foods do not agree with every dog.  If the stools are just soft and not formed well and only once or twice a day, it may not be much of a problem.  If they are "puddles" and frequent then he's not absorbing his food.

First have a complete stool analysis done by the Vet to rule out anything else that might be causing the problem.  You might mix half and half this food with another and see what happens.  Otherwise, forget the brand and go for something else.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
 
I looked and I see that Judy has answered this. This girl might also need to check the dog for parasites, worms, coccidia or giardia.
 

 
Q: from: BK
Date: August 6, 2003
Time: 5:02:16

Comments: Doberman Health
 
My 16-month red female Doberman recently started what appears to be trying to bite her tail or lack thereof.  I'm not sure if it's biting her tail or if she is trying to scratch herself.  It seems very peculiar as she does it abruptly as if she is trying to catch a bug.  When she does it she tends to want to stay down and not want to get up.  Also, all of a sudden she refuses to go to bathroom in the place we have trained her to go to bathroom in our yard.  Also, she seems to shake off (like she is wet) more often than typical.

I have read about various behavioral disorders and was wondering if these are known behavioral or physical related problems.  Any insight you can provide is appreciated.
 
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
 
I think that if this behavior is a new thing that she could have a sore or something new going on with her tail. I am sure that you have inspected it pretty thoroughly. Sometimes at this time of year flies sit on the tail and the edges of the ears and bite away. You can try a product called Fly's Off and spray it on the tail and ears for that particular problem.
 
Other than that, I don't know what to tell you except see a veterinarian.
 

 
Q: from Michael Miles
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003
Time: 02:36:01

Comments: Doberman Health
 
I just adopted a 21 month old red Doberman.  His prior owner let the cropped ears flop.  Is it to late to correct.  Or can something be done?
 
A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Kennels, Canada
 
I'm sorry but I think it is too late to do anything about the ears IMO. I did know a 14 month old male that this happened to though and the owner re-cropped him and both ears stood BUT each dog is different. I will check with some other breeders though to be sure and get back to you.
 
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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
It's usually too late to correct, but it might work with taping.  First of all, are you sure they are cropped to begin with?  If so, try taping ears as shown on our eartaping pages.  You don't have to use the posts inside ears as you're not trying to straighten them.  Tape ears all the way up, then be sure to brace them together as shown. Leave tape on for about 5 days but keep checking to make sure no smell or irritation is being caused.  If so, take them down immediately. 
 
If the ears will stay up for a short time then it looks promising.  Keep taping but make sure you take them down every 5 days, leave them off for a while (hours to a day) depending on any sores.  Clean them thoroughly each time and keep trying.  May take months to achieve if it's going to work.
 
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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA
 
As the others say, try taping. Also you could take your dog to a cropper that knows how to correct this problem.

You may be looking at a surgery of some sort. There are also a few methods that can be tried. Your dog will look a lot better with the ears standing. There are veterinarians that specialize in ear cropping around the country. Depending on where you live, perhaps one of use can direct you.


 

 
Q: from Eric Castillo
Date: August 4, 2003
Time: 20:43:52

Comments: Doberman Health
 
I saw worms in my puppy's feces, what does that mean and what do I need to do?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Kennels, Canada
 
It means your puppy has worms and you need to get him to a veterinarian to be de-wormed.
 

 
Q: from Mark E. Georges
Date: August 1, 2003
Time: 15:41:59

Comments: Doberman puppy with another puppy

We have a 3 month old male Pug (about 6-7lbs) and are getting a female Doberman puppy.  The female Doberman is 8 weeks old, and I was wondering if you think that we might have a problem with the dogs getting along since one of the dogs is of much greater size than the other.
 
A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Kennels, Canada
 
No but you will have to police their time together so that the puppy understands that she cannot bounce off the Pug nor can she be too rough with it. They learn fast. I have a MinPin bitch and a cat who get along great with my big guys and vice versa. I know many Doberman breeders that have smaller breeds as well with the same type of success that I enjoy.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
It shouldn't be a problem, however you should monitor their time together constantly while they are young as pups don't know how strong they are and the Dobe might injure your Pug pup while playing.  Once they are old enough,
no problems should arise as to size.  The Pug will put the Dobe in it's place, LOL.
 

 
Q: from Diane Luck
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003
Time: 10:38:42

Comments: Doberman Health
 
What is the best way NATURAL way to have a shiny coat?

 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
The best way is to pretty much leave it alone.  If it's a black there's usually no problem.  If Red or a Dilute, limit any sun bathing.  Very few baths and if you do bathe, make sure you use a good conditioner after and rinse, rinse,
rinse.
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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

A natural way to have a nice shiny and healthy coat comes from within and also from working with the coat from the outside. A good diet with raw fats and oils (vegetable, peanut, walnut, etc) is helpful. I personally like to feed fresh raw beef (hamburger) with 25% or more as part of the diet. Some kibbles are better for Dobermans than others and your location can play a role in that too.
 
From the outside, lots of petting is great. Also daily brushing. Actually I have found that a product called Orange Wonder mixed with water and you can add a tablespoon of baby oil to that (shake it up) and spray it on the dog and wipe with a towel with the hair coat. What you want to do is brush and work on getting the dead coat out and you may need to get a curry type brush too so the new coat can come and by doing this everyday you will rotate the coat. It is sort of like, out with the old and in with the new, kind of thing. When and if you bathe your dog , use a dog shampoo, not a human one. The dog shampoo's ph balance is correct for the dog.

For more personal help, I can help you with a diet, but I do need to know how and what you are feeding first.

 

 
Q: from Shirley
Date: July 30, 2003
Time: 18:09:28 AM

Comments: ear braces
 
My Doby had her ears done at 9 weeks and after 5 wrappings she still has one ear that bends. Is their a brace out there to use instead of the tapings? I have been taping and it still drops on the tip.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I usually tell people that in most cases you will be taping ears until your pup is six months old and sometimes even older. There is an article on our site that can help you with taping throughout the whole time. The ears should be standing at 12 o'clock without flapping in the air when she is moving around. Here is the URL to that article:
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/ears1.htm.
You can print the article out to have on hand for reference. I recommend that you scroll to Advanced Taping Part 1 and advanced Taping Part 2 by Carol Petruzzo. This article has photos and I feel it is very easy to follow. Actually you have to just keep clicking next at the bottom of each page until you get to those particular pages.
 

 
Q: from Davianne Youngblood
Date: July 28, 2003
Time: 14:40:13 AM
 
Comments: Doberman Health
 
My Doberman just had her first period, she started last Monday. When will she stop bleeding and when will she be in heat? When do I need to keep her away from other dogs, males?
 
A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA
 
The day your bitch starts to bleed is the first day of her season.  Dog people don't call it a period.  She will stay in season approximately 3 weeks. Keep her away from any males from day one to day 21 and even then, watch her closely.  I had one bitch conceive on days 29 and 31.  I've also had them conceive on day 7, so for the best prevention, keep them separated.  If she is not going to be shown I'd have her spayed a couple weeks after she goes out of season and you won't have to worry about it any longer.
 


Q: from Gilbert Badiola
Date: July 27, 2003
Time: 10:41:28 AM

Comments: Rottweiler

My 6 month old Rottie recently has had hair loss. I asked my vet and he said that it is only  a food allergy. Others say it is mange. How would you know if it is mange or a food allergy?

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

For mange (caused by mites) your vet will need to take a skin scraping and look at it under the microscope. For food allergies your vet needs to do more testing or one can guess at it by taking away one thing at a time to see if it corrects itself. I don't advise doing the latter however.
 
Your Rottie could have any number of problems.  Perhaps you should get a second opinion from a vet who specializes in skin problems?
 
If this were a six month old Doberman I would guess that it might have a staph infection which can be cured with the correct antibiotic. I am not a veterinarian however and I don't feel that either you or I should be second guessing and instead should get one or more veterinarian's opinions.
 
On another note, we would like to remind you that this is a Doberman site and as breeders/owners/fanciers of the Doberman, none of us feel qualified to answer queries about other breeds. Hopefully in the future you will be able to get some help from people that are in the know about your breed of choice.
 

 
Q: from Liz
Date: July 27, 2003
Time: 00:48:51 PM

Comments: Breeding the Doberman

Hi, My three month old puppy has suffered conjunctivitis for over a month. The vet gave her some antibiotics, but they did not work. I took her back again, and he told me not to worry about it, that it will go away. But it is still there. Is this normal? What should I do? Any help
will be greatly appreciated.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I would treat this until it is cured. I don't know what kind of medicine that your vet gave you but you may need try something different. in the meantime use more of what he gave you.

Usually conjunctivitis clears up pretty fast. Maybe it is something that is causing conjunctivitis such as an inverted eyelid or dry eye or something.

Keep the eyes flushed out and clean (do this at least twice a day) and maybe get a second opinion. I don't know what else to tell you.

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A:  from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

No Liz, This is not normal.  I'd take her to another Vet a.s.a.p.



Q:
from Marsha
Date: July 26, 2003

I have a litter of pups that are 6 weeks old. We had three blues in the litter and they are starting to get these little bumps on top of their head. Kinda looks like a staph infection. I'd rather not but them on any antibiotics due to their age, but of course I will if necessary.
 
I've been cleaning their heads with a mixture of half Listerine and half warm water twice a day. Doesn't look like much improvement but it doesn't look any worse. ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
 
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

For staph bumps I mix 1 part bleach to 4 parts water, a few drops of dish soap or dog shampoo (whatever you are comfortable with) and some baby oil or Keri lotion. Wash their faces with this mixture after they eat.

This prevents staph bumps and will get rid of them. This treatment was given to me years ago by a vet. Since that time I have improvised the formula to do even more. I am sure that this will help. Good luck.


 
Q: from Gilbert Badiola
Date: July 22, 2003
Time: 11:03:06 PM

Subject: Rottweiler

I have a problem breeding my three year old Rottweiler. I tried breeding her five times already and nothing happened. It is her season now and although she is kind of fat, could she still be pregnant?

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think that you need to see a veterinarian and if she is not pregnant you need to see a reproductive specialist type of veterinarian. Be sure that she is in good physical condition at the time of breeding which also means that she should not be fat. Perhaps you need to have a thyroid panel and a number of other tests done on her as well. Its even possible that she is not being bred at the correct time in her cycle. There could be any number of varied reasons. She is only three years old so you still have plenty of time.


Q: from Wendy Gupton
Date:  July 20, 2003
Time:  11:59:59

Comments: Breeding the Doberman

My Husband and I  have a 9 month old blue male we are in the process of registering with the AKC. We have a true love for the breed. We would like to breed him. What age is  appropriate and what educational resources are out there to prepare us for breeding? Also, what is the best way to advertise for breeding?

His markings are beautiful! He will weigh around 90 pounds.  Please advise. Thanks.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I am sorry to be so long in answering your question but it does require a detailed answer.
First of all, breeding dogs in general is both a responsibility and an art. By art I mean that a person must spend a lot of time learning quite a lot about the Doberman before a breeding ever takes place.

At 9 months your dog is too young to be bred. By that I don't mean that he cannot breed and sire puppies but that he is too young to do a lot of the temperament and health testing that should be done on all breeding stock before being bred. That health testing consists of Von Willebrands Disease (VWD) testing, a full thyroid panel, hips and elbows x-rayed, CERF test done on his eyes and last but not least, his heart should be monitored with a 24 hour holter monitor or at least an eco-cardiogram and a sonogram. All this testing should be done due to the inherent health problems in the breed that make it imperative for us to routinely test all breeding stock.

For temperament tests, the DPCA has a WAE (working aptitude evaluation) which is a series of exercises to test the dogs on all of the descriptive words in our standard pertaining to the Doberman temperament.

Secondly, you need to study and learn the Doberman Standard to perfection so you can determine and evaluate your Doberman's good qualities and his not so good qualities, both temperamentally and conformationally (i.e. - his bone structure, angulation, muscling, et cetera.

You need to know as much as possible about your dog so you can determine which females you can accept for your  blue dog and which females you should not accept. For example, if your dog has a fault, and they all do, you will need to breed him to an animal that is correct in that deviation whether it is a temperament flaw or a conformation flaw. The same works for health. If your dog is VWD carrier for example, you would need to breed him to a female that is clear or if your dog is low thyroid, you would want to breed him to a female that is normal thyroid. If your dog is sound sensitive you would want a female that is not sound sensitive or if your dog is lacking heavy bone, you would want to breed to a female who is not lacking in bone.

Needless to say you would have to learn all that you can so that you can make this kind of an evaluation and these kinds of decisions about whether or not you can breed your Doberman to a given female if at all.

Try to find a mentor in your area (I can possibly recommend someone) to evaluate your dog. In this manner you can find out if he is show quality and if he is, you may want to consider showing him in order for prospective female owners to see him and ask about using him at stud. Normally the female owners look for the male and come to you, not the other way around.

I am sure that there is a lot more that I could tell you as I could actually write an book about this. At any rate, here are some of the articles I recommend that you read, starting with the Doberman Standard of perfection.

The following are some articles about the Standard that will help you to learn it in depth:
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/dobes_in_detail.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/doberman.html
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/judging_dobermans.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/doberman_on_the_move.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/how_the_standard_works.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/whys_of_standard_size.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/soundness.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/colorinheritance.htm

The following are some on Doberman temperament:
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/defining_temperament.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/suspicion.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/choices.htm
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/breeders_tools.htm

After you breed your dog, if you decide to do so, you will need to learn even more because you are equally as responsible for the puppies as the breeder (owner of the female) is.

Since you have a blue Doberman there is another article that you should read too. It can be found at http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/sup.html. There are many links within this article that will help you learn all about the blue and fawn Dobermans and the individual problems that they can have.

Remember that there are many more articles on this site that can be read and/or printed out including those about a variety of health problems that plague our Dobermans. Please don't hesitate to browse through the site to find more. I hope that this helps you and again, if you have more questions, feel free to ask.


Q: from Gail May
Date: June 05, 2003
Time: 4:03 PM
Thank you so much for your tips, I will certainly try them.  I've noticed that when I have Taki sit and I rub her chest that has seemed to help.  Our other Dobe, Lady, definitely has your "play bow" to a science. 

Let me ask you quickly what you know works for their pulling on the leash -- I had a halter, collar set up on them at the moment because it's the only way I've been able to walk them both together -- I have 2 lines so that I can carefully redirect them when they start pulling and not hurt their noses (I used to train horses, so this is easy for me to do).  But I will tell you frankly I'm unsure which of the many, many methods of "training" to use to correct this pulling.  As long as the halter is on they walk like little children -- the minute it's off, we're off & running again.  I know the halter is only short-term and I would dearly love to get them into obedience/agility training but I know we need to have basic commands down first.

Thank you again so much for your help.
 
A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think that I would first train them individually and teach each one of them not to pull. I, myself, use the words "don't pull - walk nice" for my commands but choose whatever words work for you as your command words.

There are a number of methods you could try but here is one that works for me. I prefer to take my dogs for a walk with a 6 foot lead and a chain collar and use the gentle jerk and slack method with my command words at the same moment as the jerks. By jerk and slack, it is sort of like reigning a horse, just gentle (but one that they can feel) repetitive jerks and slacks on the collar as you are walking with them.
 
If the dog continues to pull, you can surprise it by doing a quick round about turn with the leash tight and command "don't pull" in a firmer voice than usual (when the leash corrects them from pulling) and walk the opposite direction for about 8 - 10 feet and turn around again and do this a few times and then continue on your walk. Don't forget the command at the right moment of the turn every time. A few times with this method and they usually "get it".
 
After you get both dogs trained try them together and continue the training with them together. Again, I hope that I am explaining this so that you can understand what I am trying to portray.
 

Q: from Gail May
Date: June 02, 2003
Time: 11:36 AM

Subject: Training Older Dobes

I read your online training tips on showing Dobes which were quite informative.  We have rescued 2 females (1 1/2 yrs old) from our local animal shelter and could use some training tips for everyday life -- specifically, one of the girls gets quite excited when we encounter other dogs on our walks -- we're working it out slowly, but she still gets very excited to see other dogs (there are lots in our neighborhood), is not aggressive to them but wants to play, play and will bark and bark, jump, pull -- as I said she's getting better slowly but there must be something else I can do to help the process.  Sometimes she will also drop low and bark at people -- it's not a real protective stance, but I'm not sure whether she wants them to play or stay away -- the bark is very different, it's longer & deeper.  Can you recommend anything or a good information site ?  Many, many thanks.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think that training a dog to calm down in their exuberance over other dogs takes time and if your girl is making progress then just keep doing what you are doing. Another exercise that I like to do is to stop walking and go up to my excited dog and stroke her/him very lightly from the head down to the tail telling him to relax or calm down (some common word) until she does and then continue on, doing this every single time she pulls or whatever.

If her hair is standing up on her back, stroke it down and relax her. Do the same when she does the drop low thing. A dog will do what I call a play bow and bark more excitedly. This drop low thing sounds a little different, like she is not sure whether to be aggressive or  submissive or shy (unsure of herself).

Just have her stand while you do the stroking thing to calm her down. After she calms down, walk her to the person and encourage her to make friends or "check it out" and ask the person to pet her and show her it is okay that he or she is there. Don't pull her away from the situation because by doing so you will basically encourage her to be afraid or leery.

I hope that this helps and if you need more help or have another question, please ask.


Q: from Ibrar Haider
Date: May 30, 2003
Time: 05:11 PM

I have a bitch that is four months of age. Please tell me how can I start my training.

A:
from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I don't know what type training you want to do with your pup.  If you mean Obedience then I would contact a local Kennel Club and see if they have any "Kindergarten" training classes for puppies.  They can also tell you at whatage they prefer pups to start in regular Obedience training classes.

If you want Conformation classes you can do the same and along with that, we have some very good training posts written by Michelle Santana on this site.

Please let us know exactly what type of training you wish to do on your puppy.
 

Q: from Kathy Fontana
Date:             28 May 2003
Time:             13:50:36


Comments: Showing The Bite

I loved your tips on showing. Do you have any ideas for a bitch that has no problem showing her bite to anyone until we step up to the judge? I have had strangers and people I know at class, at home and in our yard go over her with no problem...until we get in the real ring. I wind up showing the bite to the judge but my bitch gives me a hard time.

I have had judges say they really like her and can I get her trained

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have three other dogs at home that are finished and they have all had their funny quirks but I have never experienced this particular quirk before. I somehow think she is outsmarting me and I don't want her to get excused from the ring for something I know she can do.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

From what I can gather from your post, you are showing the bite to the judge.  If your dog isn't letting you do so, then just let the Judge do it.  It might be faster and easier than you fighting with her. As a judge myself I know I can usually do it much quicker than a lot of exhibitors but I will allow them to present the bite to me.

Don't make a big deal of it with your dog.  Make sure you really know how to do it so the
judge can see properly and that it's done correctly. 

Give your dog a piece of bait (at home) if she allows you to do it.  If she's playing games with you and looking for bait, then dispense with any bait. 

Only practice ONCE at home every few days.  There is no need to keep doing it thereby making a big deal of the whole issue.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I just went through this on a bitch that didn't want to open her mouth for the judge to see the back teeth. I just kept working her and gave her the command "open" and then praised her, "good girl" when she did it. Do it all of the time and in every situation. Have a lot of people do it and do it with strangers and do it just before she goes into the ring. Try to "win" all of the time. Set her up into a ring like situation, like at class.

When you do have people do it have them do it just like a judge would. Do it yourself too, a lot. Make sure that you are not unconsciously digging your fingers into her gums. 

For awhile I asked the judges to tell her open too. It took a while but she did get over it. It sounds as though your bitch is doing the same as mine was so just keep at it.

Do you think that it hurts her when her mouth is opened and she is anticipating pain or is she just being stubborn? Does she like the ball. If so hand her the ball and say "open"...... "good girl' when she takes it or food. Figure out something to do with her mouth that she likes and use the commands and hopefully she will associate both exercises as good.


Q: from Peter
Date:             18 Apr 2003
Time:             04:13:36


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

What age male Dobie may work out best with an existing dominant 6 yr old Shepherd?
We would eventually want them to be able to co exist together once they get used to each other.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

It seems that we just answered this question. You can eventually have them co-exist together. Introduce them carefully and until the new puppy gets older, the two dogs must have your supervision while they are together. Separate them when you are not present. Train them to respect one another and give them equal time and encouragement. Encourage the older dog to play gentle and the puppy shouldn't be allowed to be too puppy rough and obnoxious so to speak. Allow the Shepherd to gently teach the puppy.

We have answered this question before and if you can find and read some of the answers I think it will help you.


Q: from Gerry
Date:             15 Apr 2003
Time:             13:44:53


Comments: Second Dog

I am thinking about getting a rescue Dobie later this year.  I currently have a 1 year old, neutered male.  He loves other dogs so that won't be a problem.  Obviously I'd be getting a female. 

I have a couple of questions, though.  First, how old should the new dog be?  I've read, that you have to pick one to be dominant, and usually, the one that' already there is the best choice.  Would getting a female that is older than him make that more difficult?  

Kane is an inside dog except when we aren't home.  He has a 10 x 10 Kennel in the backyard with a dog house and wading pool to cool off in. 

I am guessing it wouldn't be a good idea to put another dog in there?  I presume I'd have to put together another Kennel if/when we get a second dog or is it okay to put them together?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

In my opinion you are much better off starting with as young a dog as possible, preferably a puppy.

I certainly wouldn't suggest putting another dog in Kane's kennel ... I would strongly recommend you put up another kennel right alongside the first one.

Actually, to be quite honest, I would never leave my dogs unattended while I sent to work, whether kennelled or not.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think that your plan of getting a female that is a little older then him is a good plan. I also think that you would be wise to separate them while you are gone away from home since the areas you have for them are small.  If you had a bigger fenced area for them to run and play while you are at home, that would be nice (instead of in the house). I say this because Dobermans, as you know, have lots of energy and they love to run and play and will need a bigger area to do this in.

I believe you are going to have to play some of these questions out by ear and work things out according to the dogs themselves and their needs and how they get along. The decisions that you will be making will be depending on the situations that will arise after you have the new dog. Having two pens are a good idea at this point though.

If left alone for great periods of time they could get noisy so you may have to figure a way to remedy that situation and any other situations that may crop up in the future.

Also, I have no idea know why you would have to pick one that is dominant. You already know what Kane's personality and temperament is like, so pick one that would work with Kane.


Q: from Peter
Date:             15 Apr 2003
Time:             03:26:11


Comments: Doberman Temperament

Could you please advise exactly how to introduce a new Doberman, to be purchased from a breeder, into a household of 2 adults, no children, and one dominate intact female Shepherd.

The Shepherd is from a European Schutzhund bloodline, about 6 yrs old and will be soon spayed.  She has obedience training only.

The soon-to-be-purchased Dobie could be a puppy or a 1 or 2 yr old male.

We are trying to avoid potential injury to us or the dogs.

The Shepherd had been living successfully with a female, very passive Dobie, who died. They had maybe three non-injury fights since we got the
Shepherd at 3 months of age.

  1. Please advise what age, sex, and temperament for the new Dobie
    would be recommended?
  2. From whom should I determine (or could you advise me) exactly how to successfully introduce them, both at first and say over the following several months?
  3. Is there a recommended book that indicates how to introduce dogs?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I would be hesitant to introduce a young puppy or an older dog into a household with a dominant 6 year old female and still feel life will be peaceful. It's very possible that the older bitch will accept the puppy but I'd be very afraid to try it. 

If I were you I'd wait until the older bitch passes away or only do so if you are prepared to separate them in case she doesn't accept another dog … whether as a puppy or older.


Q: from Crystal
Date:             15 Apr 2003
Time:             02:39:59


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

If you breed two dogs together that both are VWD carriers wouldn't there offspring be affected and have the disease?  I've seen that many well know breeders do this.  Do they not care about if they have a puppy or two has VWD as long as they have some really beautiful puppies that aren't. Thanks. 

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Yes there is a 25% chance of that...however, you cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater. So long as that breeder tests the offspring and doesn't breed affected to affected one can only go up. That is the objective of testing. The percentage of *clinically* affected dogs is slim to none, 7% of the entire Doberman population in the world as a matter of fact.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

This has been a hot topic for years.  All I can say is, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Affected dogs can "sometimes" manifest bleeding.  Most times they live a normal life and never have any problem.  Breeders have no doubt been breeding Affected to Affected for generations without incident before the vWD disease was ever hear of or before we had a DNA to predict it.

You have a good chance of getting some Affected puppies out of breeding two carriers, but on the other hand, it may not happen.  You would get 50% Carriers, 25% Affected and 25% Clear BUT this is based on hundreds of litters from the same two parents. It is equally as possible that you may get a whole litter of Affecteds, a whole litter of Clears or a whole litter of Carriers.  It all depends on how the genes fall.

As to breeders caring about the puppies, let me just say that most breeders do all that they can and more to insure that they have healthy puppies. We try to take into consideration many factors such as temperament, conformation, health and type.  To insure that you get the best you can breed, a breeder should be willing to breed to only the best (that features ALL of these qualities).


Q: from Andrea Roper
Date:             15 Apr 2003
Time:             00:50:26


Comments: Male or female???

I have been interested with the Doberman and the Beauceron breeds for over a year. I have also raised Labs for a long time.

Making the transition from a more easy-going dog to a dog that is more protective, arouses my curiosity about which would be the more docile and less protective sex in the Doberman breed.

Please keep in mind that I live with a 9 year old brother. I appreciate any information you can supply...

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

In my experience of thirty plus years with this breed I would have to say that a good part of the time it is the male that is more docile and loving by far.

Please watch this page on our site for other replies to your query...

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I personally don't think that there is too much difference in male and female Dobermans in being protective. You can monitor their protectiveness to a degree.

Dobermans are protective and they are a barking breed (they talk). Dobermans are supposed to be obedient so you can teach them to work into your life within reason. You can diminish their protectiveness by teaching them not to bark and calling them away from being protective. I really don't recommend this, but it can be done.

Most Dobermans are sensible about protecting and usually don't bark at every little noise.

You can also read their tones of voices and can tell by the sound of their bark the degree of the threat that they are guarding against.

We have a couple of articles on our site that you might wish to read that could help you out as well. They are Is This The Right Breed For You? and What It's Like Living With A Doberman.


Q: from Sharon Loshin Tsantiotis
Date:             14 Apr 2003
Time:             18:05:33


Comments: Eartaping

Is there an internet site that gives a detailed description on how to tape your dog's ears?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

http://www.equinoxca.com/taping.html
http://www.dpca-breedered.com/ears1.htm


Q: from Bob Krenitsky
Date:             11 Apr 2003
Time:             13:41:04


Comments: Eye Goobers

What is an acceptable/normal level of "eye goobers"?  Our red female has rather large discharges (lime green in color) but primarily in the morning. Is this normal for the breed?

Our Vet has ruled out pink-eye and other known diseases. He says it may be allergies. They don't seem to bother her at all but they are unsightly.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

IMO large lime green eye goobers is NOT normal in any breed and should be checked out immediately. IMO it is very probable that she has an allergy. Please watch this page on our site for other replies to your query...

REPLY: from Bob Krentisky

Thanks- I'll bring her in for additional testing.


Q: from Perry Jackson
Date:             11 Apr 2003
Time:             17:49:57


Comments: Doberman Temperament

I enjoyed reading comments concerning not keeping two males together. I have a one year old female Doberman (spayed) and am interested in getting another. How do females get along together? Thanks in advance

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Most times Females get along but there are many that don't. It's just not something you can predict with certainty. You have to know the temperament of each dog. Does your year old bitch get along well with other dogs?  Does she tolerate puppies? 

Be sure to introduce them a little at a time. Your year old bitch is still a puppy herself but she is "boss" in her house. Don't allow the new puppy to charge her and jump all over her in the beginning.  Hold the puppy in your lap and let the older one sniff and see what she's all about. Never let a young pup and an older one together playing freely as the younger one can get hurt easily accidentally. Supervise and use common sense.

Q: from Cheryl De Saw
Date:             09 Apr 2003
Time:             17:30:21


Comments: Health

My boy had a hystiocytoma under his arm that had gotten a little infected from rubbing.  He had it about 4 weeks before I took him to the vet because it was not getting better. I originally thought it was from him running through the bushes.

Our vet said they usually go away, but prescribed an ointment usually used in the ear, called Otomax (gentmaicin sulfate, usp: beta methasone valerate, usp: clotrimazole, usp ointment). She said we could use it for a week or more if needed but that the growth could take up to 8 weeks to go away.  The ointment worked really well and once I saw a great improvement in the growth, I stopped using it.  It took about a week or a week and a half.  It certainly was not long.

Can you tell me what the cause of these are?  He does not have any others.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Hystiocytomas are usually benign tumors. Some dogs are lucky enough that they disappear on their own and others have to have them surgically removed.


Q: from M Laphen
Date:             08 Apr 2003
Time:             21:21:29

Comments:

Does the Dalmatian breed have a history of heart murmur? Either age onset or at birth.

A:  from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I have a book called Medical & Genetic Aspects of Purebred Dogs and I looked under Dalmations. It seems that they have a lot of health problems due to their pigmentation or lack thereof. They also have a problem with blindness. They have Urinary calculi problems of the irate type, bacteria, and a characteristic dermatitis which include discoloration of the skin and white hair are common ailments that are considered a possible syndrome. The book goes on to describe these problems and what can be done to help them.

In another book, Your Purebred Puppy, A Buyers Guide, for health problems it says that  they are susceptible to hip dysplasia, inherited deafness, skin conditions and urinary stones. Buy only from OFA-registered parents. A low-protein diet is often recommended to avoid bladder and kidney stones in this breed.

I hope that this helps you some.

Neither of the books mention the heart or heart murmurs but I would imagine that any breed of dog could occasionally have a puppy come up with a heart murmur. I would guess that it is not as common in a Dalmatian as it is in a Doberman since it is not mentioned.


Q: from Jackie
Date:             08 Apr 2003
Time:             14:20:40


Comments: problems with two males

I have two littermates brothers age 1 and 1/2 years. I have a problem with aggression. The larger one 99% of the time is fine. He will growl at the other when he's in his crate. He will attack and not let up when the other submits. He has been dripping pee when the other comes near or if the other gets a bone or toy or attention from someone. He has been diagnosed with hypothyroid 3 days ago.

Do you think the behavior will improve? I read the aggression can come from the low thyroid.

Any tips on training? I would hate to have to give one away to a family member.

Also my last Doberman had low thyroid and died 6 months later at age 5 from cardiomyopathy. I am scared this could happen to my dog who  is his half brother with the same dad.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

At first glance on reading your post I thought you said the dogs' ages were eleven and a half but I see
that they are one and a half years old.  That makes a huge difference.

First of all, you should NEVER try to keep two males together.  They WILL fight and may eventually kill each other or be so badly hurt that they may not recover. I'm scaring you purposely because I don't want to see this happen nor do I want to see you get torn apart trying to break up a fight.

UNLESS you are going to keep them totally separate the rest of their lives, never having them in contact with each other, you should place one of the dogs. This issue is not going to get better, only much worse.

As to the dripping urine.  Take the dog to the Vet immediately.  While it's rather early for a prostate problem, it's possible.  It is also possible for the dog to have a kidney or urinary tract infection and he should be seen IMMEDIATELY. Simply collect a urine sample from the dog and take him in to the Vet as quickly as you can.

You didn't spell the Thyroid problem correctly.  It's either Hypothyroid or Hyperthyroid.  There is a big difference. If the dog is put on medication prescribed by the Vet, he may be fine.  Yes, it can cause symptoms of aggression but that isn't the main reason.  The main and simplest reason is because they are males.

I would hope you have both males neutered if you are not showing in Conformation.  This would help if the urinating is caused by the Prostate.

Additionally, at this point in time it has not been proven that Thyroid problems cause Cardiomyopathy.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

It is recommended that a person should not keep two male Dobermans together unless they have the facilities to keep them separated and can figure out a way to keep them so that both males can keep their dignity (for the lack of a better word). Each dog MUST get equal individual time with the human family as well.

One day the submissive one will stand up for himself and you will have a huge dog fight. Your situation is a simply bad accident waiting to happen.

In my opinion giving thyroid will not change the completely normal behavior of an alpha male towards another male or any other male dogs for that matter. I would recommend that you do place one of them into the home of your family member. This will ensure both males a happier life, however long that it may be.

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A: from Bug Russell, USA

Before I even start out I'll tell you that I think you did as many things wrong as could be possible and are doomed to failure from the get-go.

First of all I NEVER EVER keep two dogs of the same age -- litter mates, not litter mates -- makes no difference.  I think this is just asking for trouble, particularly with same sex dogs -- it is, among other things, a guaranteed way to make sure neither dog gets what they need in terms of attention, training etc.  Dogs need different things at different ages and there are far fewer problems if they are NOT the same age and from what I've seen, littermates have MORE, not fewer problems in the same household than dogs that aren't litter mates.

You don't say how long you've been having problems with aggression but 18 months is the point at which most males seem to hit a maturity level that causes aggression that hasn't been there before. I also get the impression that both of these dogs are intact. They should have been neutered young if you intended to keep them both.

It also isn't clear which dog is the aggressor but that doesn't make much difference I guess. If one dog is being crated, then it should be done in an area that does not allow the other dog to get near the crate in order to threaten the crated dog.  Allowing that is simply asking for more problems. Fear aggression and refusal to accept submission is a disaster waiting to happen.  Even without the next item in the list of problems I personally would not even be considering continuing to keep both of these dogs in the same household.

Hyperthyroidism will certainly affect temperament and behavior and it won't really be possible to tell just how much of the issue is from the thyroid problem and how much is from the level of dominance between these two dogs until the hyperthyroid dog has been on meds for some while. 

Even though some same sex aggression is owner induced there are definitely dogs who simply are same sex aggressive no matter what you do. I am very careful about what puppies I choose to keep in my all male dog collection. I do not EVER keep a male puppy beyond a very young age (6 months max) that I think may be even remotely dog aggressive.

If I were going to try to keep two males, from the same litter, not neuter them, crate one while the other was loose and in a position to harass the crated dog I would have started said training a long, long time ago.  Using a lot more common sense and neutering the dogs immediately would have been my start.

With caution being the better part of valour, I'd be trying to give one of these dogs away to a family member NOW!  I think trying to keep these two dogs together now that there is an existing history of trouble between them is very much a lost cause.  Someone is likely to get hurt in the process -- if it is only one of the dogs I think YOU will be very lucky. However, it's just as likely to be the human who tries to break up an inevitable fight.

I have not read any studies that document a link between cardiomyopathy and hyperthyroidism. They can both run in lines and the fact that the dog is a half brother (same sire) to a dog who was both hyperthyroid and had some sort of cardiomyopathy (probably DCM if he died at 5) would be the concern to me. We all know that cardio can skip around in all sorts of ways and may or may not show up in the puppies sired by or out of a particular dog. Frankly I think there is a more identifiable link with
hyperthyroidism.

Having said all of this, my bottom line is that I WOULD NOT attempt to keep these two males under the circumstances that you have described. As I stated earlier, if you had intended to keep the brothers I'd have started out very differently, certainly by neutering both of them very young.


Q: from Jesse Fredericks
Date: 27 Mar 2003
Time: 22:33:36


Comments: Doberman Temperament

Why is it that the DPCA puts so much emphasis on conformation and hardly any at all on working ability? After all the breed was bred to work. All working kennels blame the AKC for completely flushing the working structure out of the Doberman. I have seen AKC Champion dogs that were so skittish you could hardly get close to them.

Working breeders say that there is absolutely no working temperament left in the American Dobe and that it would never protect its owner. Why would the AKC sacrifice the working ability of the breed for looks? Is there any chance of getting the working character back in the Doberman?

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

Many breeders that are members of the DPCA have dedicated themselves to the breeding of the total Doberman. That means that they are breeding for the proper temperament that is described in the Doberman standard as well as the health and longevity of the Doberman and for the proper structure and conformation that is described in our Doberman Pinscher Standard.

We do have several articles available about temperament and temperament traits to enable us to learn about temperament to make breeding decisions based on our knowledge. Check out the articles that are already on our articles page about temperament and breeding for temperament and the working ability and watch for more articles to come.

I really don't believe that any breeder truly wants a Doberman that does not have the ability to do the work that he is bred to do. There are plenty of American bred total Dobermans out there.

Yes, I believe that there is a chance to get the working ability back into the Doberman.


Q: from Jesse Fredericks
Date: 27 Mar 2003
Time: 22:40:41


Comments: Size

My Doberman just turned 9 months old is is 28 inches and 75 lbs. His father is 30 inches and 95 lbs and his mother is 28 inches and 75 lbs.

He was one of the biggest MALES in his litter.

Could you take a wild guess at his adult (Around 2yrs.) weight?

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

He could weigh as much as either one of his parents I would imagine, depending on his bone and substance which will figure in on his mature weight.

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A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Jesse you speak of your concern with getting the working ability back into the American Doberman and yet you state above, with pride, that you have the biggest pup out of a litter by some pretty big parents.

The larger this breed is the less likely it is that we will be able to use them for what they were bred for since Louis Dobermann bred a *medium* sized dog for the purpose of agility and speed when doing its job which was protection. In my opinion and that of many others, Americans as well as International breeders, there is nothing agile about a 30 inch male or a 28 inch female. In fact, Dobermans in Europe are nowhere near in height what most American Dobermans are.

I suggest you read the German standard and the American standard in order to understand that medium sized means normal her and overseas, not giant.


Q: from Gerry
Date: 24 Mar 2003
Time: 18:19:30


Comments: Doberman Health

Kane is a year old and has been on Innova food since he was about 9 or 10 months. Over the past couple of weeks, his stool has been very dark and hard. I haven't worried about it, because I had read that when you feed a good quality food, that is one of the results. Although, sometimes, after a few "rocks" come out, he goes again and drops a little bit of creamy stool, but this seems to be when he's excited (like at the dog park.)

Also, he's developed a habit over the last week or so of not eating unless we coax him with treats. I realize though, that I've probably trained him to do this now, but I wonder if it's related. Should I run to the Vet? Or is this normal?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

That creamy discharge is likely not stool but instead anal gland material which is what helps him to defecate without pain as well as it is an odor the other dogs can check to ascertain who/what he is. However, if his stool is quite hard go to any drugstore and buy some stool softener and dispense that to him according to the package when you notice him being too hard again.

It is very normal for a dog not to eat unless coaxed with treats even though it shouldn't be the case. It sounds as though he has your number unfortunately. No dog ever will starve himself to death so cut out the treats completely, offer his dry food to him morning and night, leaving it down for 10 minutes ONLY and taking it away until the next feeding if he refuses to eat it. Believe me, he will eat eventually and in record time if you are consistent and persistent.


Q: from tijhay
Date: 23 Mar 2003
Time: 01:50:25


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

Hello and good day. Our female Dobe was bred on Feb. 21. I was just wondering when will she give birth ... how many days would it take? hope you can help so that we can prepare for it. Thanks a lot.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Her due date would be approximately April 25 -- gestation is 63 days.



Q: from Andrew Pisciotta
Date: 22 Mar 2003
Time: 16:08:53


Comments: Doberman Health

I have a 3 year black/rust neutered male Doberman who constantly gets rapid growing cysts under the skin starting out as pea size and grow very quickly. I had 6 removed by my vet and they diagnosed no cancer and put him on Clavamox ... he is still getting them ... any ideas? He is in great health and he seems to be not affected in anyway. They are noticeable and I am afraid they will continue to grow and affect his movements in time. I can not keep cutting on him since they are appearing in a few weeks and grow quickly. He is on Iams adult and that is it no people food at all. He is on Heartguard and other than that nothing else.

Was giving him the Missing Link plus supplement which was a all natural powder in his food supplement for large breed dogs but quit that over month ago thinking that might cause but he is still getting the tumors. He was a rescue so I can not contact breeder since his history is unknown. The only thing I knew about him was he has always been on Iams so I just left him on it ... so I really don't think it is the food. The vet says he thought it may be bacterial but now that the Clavamox did not work he is ruling that out. He mentioned thyroid...

He wants to remove one more small one and send away and do a bacterial sterilized test of some sort.

The first surgery was done because he feared cancer and did not like the cells he saw when he did the initial cell smear.

Now that cancer was ruled out he wants to send away and test for other things ... should we do the surgery again or can he get enough of a specimen by extracting cell with a needle again.

Any ideas or help is appreciated.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

It could easily be a food allergy since Iams changes ingredients constantly ever since they were taken over by Proctor & Gamble.  

Thyroid is a very real possibility too. If they decide to test his thyroid please don't waste any time with the simple *cheap* blood test, go with the Free Ts/T4 test that costs around $60.00 -- it is far more definitive.

A needle biopsy might help. Has he said whether these things could be histiocytomas (non-malignant tumors)? These are quite common in Dobes of any age ... many go away on their own and many others need to be surgically removed.

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REPLY:  from Andrew Pisciotta

Thanks for the quick response … I have been doing some checking on the web and many articles say Dobermans have a allergic reaction to corn and wheat so I am going to get him off of Iams since corn is the second ingredient. I have heard a lot about a food called Canidae and it is human grade meats, no corn or wheat and has no by products, etc.
I also see a product on several Doberman pages called Nuvet Plus ... it is for skin and other conditions including tumors. Again it is all natural supplement so I may order it and give a try.

The tumors are histiocytomas.

REPLY from Judy Bohnert

Canidae is an excellent food as is Wysong and Eagle Holistic Select. There was nothing wrong with the Missing Link additive you were giving before.

Don't go overboard making too many changes too soon or you'll never know for sure what the problem really was or what fixed it. The following advice was given to me by a homeopathic vet. He recommended at least 1500 mgs of fish oil a day to help prevent and to reduce fatty tumors. I did try this when I had a geriatric dog and it worked, at least by definitively reducing the size.

BTW, I'm not at all surprised that they were histiocytomas.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I would try another biopsy. It does sound like skin cancer but hope it's
not. Have you tried a Vet who is a specialist in Dermatology? I'd try that next. Doesn't sound like it's food related or an allergy.


Q: from Polly Kirchner
Date: 21 Mar 2003
Time: 17:19:26


Comments: Doberman Health

I am a Doberman owner and my baby is nine now and he has had a good life. I love him to pieces but he has sore feet and I am having a hard time understanding why.  
At this time he has been to the vet for his feet and now I am trying to find out on my own about this condition. 

He is having a lot of trouble with his front feet in that it hurts him to walk. He has little bumps on his feet. What if anything do you know are these bumps?  The vet here will never give me a straight answer. Can you help me?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I really can't say what is causing these bumps. My only advice would be to consult with another Vet. It could be some type allergy to the ground or as bad as skin cancer. I'm sorry but this needs to be a Vet diagnosis.


Q: from Frank
Date: 20 Mar 2003
Time: 04:33:25


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

I was told that people are breeding the father to the daughter. Can you register the litter if that happens?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Yes you can but it isn't recommended unless you know exactly what you are dealing with in the pedigree.


Q: from Kylah Lemke
Date: 19 Mar 2003
Time: 16:37:57

Comments: Other

My husband and I are researching whether or not a Doberman would be an appropriate addition to our home. We have a 2 year old son and are planning on having another baby in the next few years. We have a 16 year old Cocker Spaniel that is not doing well and we will be putting him down. Our son has been wonderful with the cocker. We have be adamant that the dog be treated well, and our son does not pull hair, ears, tails etc. We are also very active and our dog is very much a part of that activity such as Motocross Racing, and spending time at the lake with family and their dogs. My expectations of a Doberman would be to have good manners with children other dogs and provide companionship. I am very concerned about having a dog that is over protective of our children, home and does not socialize well with other dogs. I have had experience with Dobermans before and they have all been very positive. I found that they are a loving breed with bright personalities and lots of brains! However, am I running a gamble in introducing a Doberman at this time in our lives? I want a dog that will be around for a long time!!!

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

My recommendation would be to not have a Doberman until both of your children are older. I personally, as a breeder of 22+ years, will usually not sell to anyone with children under 5, although there can be and sometimes are, exceptions to my rule.
They truly are a loving breed with bright personalities and lots of brains and they make exceptional family dogs but they also look on little people as members of their pack and I have found that they can be a bit too rough on the wee ones which is a recipe for disaster IMO.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I think a Doberman would be ideal for your lifestyle, however I'd get a female and of course spay it. Males can be aggressive around strange dogs. Females can be also, but if you start her young enough to get along with
other dogs, she should be fine.


Q: from Jan Dittman
Date: 19 Mar 2003
Time: 13:06:25


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

This is a follow up on my Dobes. The female's mother and our male are half brother & sister (different fathers) I'm not really interested in showing, I just wanted to know if it was okay to breed them together.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I wouldn't do it personally. Since they are so closely related, you would get double faults and a lot more problems than you can possibly deal with.


Q: from Jackie Barnes, UK
Date: 19 Mar 2003
Time: 07:49:15


Comments: Thyroid problems & inheritance

A Dobermann (aged 2 years) has been diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism. I have been reading up on this subject but there are a number of questions the sites do not answer. I have been informed that American Dobe breeders are very clued up on this subject and I would appreciate any information you have available.

  1. I believe that in the UK routine screening to test if a Dobe carries the potential to pass on thyroid problems is not carried out. I have read that a test for TgAA presence can be an indication. Do breeders in the US use this test and have you found the results to be reliable. Does the test show up the potential to pass on to pups at any age or is regular screening necessary (e.g. once a year)? Once on medication, is there any special care that should be taken (e.g.-with routine vaccinations or other routine medication)?
  2. Has any Dobe specific research been done into this disease in the US?
  3. Can anyone give an explanation, in layman's terms, of how the disease is passed down. Is it like vWD where both male and female have to have one affected gene?

I hope you will be able to answer my questions or point me in the right direction.

Thank you.

A: from Dr Kathy Davieds, DVM

The most current veterinary knowledge of which I am aware is that there presently remains no test to specifically determine if a Doberman *carries the potential to pass on thyroid problems* to its offspring. While familial predisposition for the condition (which is the most common endocrine condition in canines) has been documented (it is a *genetic* condition), the exact mode of inheritance has not been defined. Recent collaborative research on thyroiditis in Dobermans between the University of Alaska, Fairbanks (Dr. George M. Happ) and Iowa State University, Ames (Dr. Leslie Fox), supported by a DPFA grant, reports that it is a *complex condition....not linked to a single defective protein coded by a single defective gene, but rather involves intracellular and intercellular signaling ... the genes that cause thyroiditis and appear in a high frequency in a particular pedigree are very likely to be genes that influence cross-talk between and within cells... * More research will likely be needed to identify the specific genetic mode of transmission.

Autoimmune thyroiditis, the body attacking its own thyroid tissue, is the inciting cause of hypothyroidism in the overwhelming majority of cases. Aside from a full thyroid panel at the University of Michigan to identify if an individual dog is itself hypothyroid, I am not aware of a screening test to determine if a Doberman may *pass on thyroid problems*.
Some statistics regarding TgAA, or thyroglobulin autoantibodies: 85-100% of dogs with lymphocytic thyroiditis (their body in the autoimmune process of destroying its own thyroid tissue) have been shown to have TgAA. TgAA is present in approximately 50% of clinically hypothyroid dogs. *Some* clinically normal dogs have also been shown to test positive for TgAA. The presence of TgAA does not specifically indicate if a dog will pass on hypothyroidism to its offspring. Hypothyroid dogs may also be positive for circulating antibodies against T3, T4 and other thyroid-related substances.

TgAA positive, subclinical (early) hypothyroidism usually manifests with increased TSH (attempting to stimulate the remaining undestroyed thyroid tissue), and normal T3 and T4. TgAA positive, overt hypothyroidism, when nearly all functional thyroid tissue is gone, usually manifests with increased TSH and decreased T4, at a minimum.

Hypothyroidism is a very complex and generally slowly progressive disease. For this reason, the need to screen canines, especially breeding stock, on a regular basis is universally accepted. Some sources recommend annual testing throughout a dog's life, others annually for the first four years, then every other year after that. In this manner, more animals may be diagnosed in the early stages of this autoimmune process, before they begin to show typical signs of the disease, and should then ideally be removed from a breeding program.

If further elaboration is needed, let me know!

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A: from Jackie Barnes, UK

Judy,

Many thanks for the time you have taken to find answers to my questions. The information is very helpful. There has been ongoing discussion here in the UK on this subject and this has helped to clear up a couple of 'urban myths' in my mind. I have shared this info with other Dobe folk - hope that is OK.

Thank you once again.
Jackie


Q: from  John Samms
Date: 19 Mar 2003
Time: 06:26:15

Hello, I've been searching the net and a few other places because I have a problem and I'm really having a hard time finding information. I have a champion racing sled dog from the Yukon in Canada. I stopped off at this persons house. My dog was chained to my truck. The person I was visiting knew that my dog comes from very select blood lines and he is in his second year of novice racing. He let his bitch who was in heat outside loose knowing that my dog was there tied up. Of course a breeding happened. This person started right away that the bitch is his so the pups are his. Thanks for the blood lines. They are their pups and if I don't like it ... too bad, go to hell. I spent a couple of months and a few thousand dollars to get my hands on this line for the purpose of racing. They get my racing lines just because they let their bitch run free while in heat. Doesn't sound right to me.

QUESTION: What would be the law on an accidental breeding that was done on purpose, for the purpose of stealing a blood line. (or just any info you may have on accidental breedings. who is the owner of the pups.)

Would you have any info on this question??? Thanks for any help you can offer. 

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I take it this is not a Doberman breed, otherwise you wouldn't tie up a Dobe to a truck. It would freeze to death. If you did NOT witness the breeding, you don't have to sign the AKC papers, thus the litter will not be registered with AKC.

As for stealing your bloodlines, I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure others have similar lines. Make him pay you a stud fee and get on with your life.

Next time, don't tie up your dog. Put him in a crate or house. Worse things can happen like him being stolen or whatever.

Q: from Jan Dittman
Date: 18 Mar 2003
Time: 11:53:20


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

We have just purchased a red female Dobe pup. We own a black Dobe 2 yr old male. His mother and the mother of the female's mother are the same but their fathers were different. Since there is one generation difference and the males are different is it still okay to breed the two together?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Most top breeders don't breed to dogs they own. The reason for this is that you want to breed your bitch to the best dog possible to correct her faults (they all have them) and to double up on the good features. Rarely do we own the perfect male to do this.

Are both show quality animals? If not, then naturally you shouldn't breed them. We should only breed the best to the best and pray mother nature with her genes and chromosomes fall into the right places.

As to breeding half brother and sister, we do on occasion, but as I've said, BOTH have to be of great quality. While you may get the good features, you will also double up on the bad features. You are doubling up on the Dam, so she better be a good one.


Q: from Lacy
Date: 14 Mar 2003
Time: 13:40:49


Comments: Handling

Hi,
My name is Lacy and I'm a junior handler. I'm not a professional yet but hope to become one soon when I have my face out there. I would love to show one of your dogs if you would let me. Please email me.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Lacy, you don't mention where live. How old are you? Do you have any experience in showing dogs? What breeds? How do you get to the shows? Do you know the proper care of an animal? Have you owned a Doberman and have you shown it in Conformation?

Please respond so we may be able to point you in the right direction.


Q: from Holly Broughton
Date: 14 Mar 2003
Time: 20:55:13


Comments: Doberman Health

Hello, I have a couple questions for you. I have heard that the DNA test for vWD is 99% accurate but recently I heard of someone who sent in a test on a dog and it came back affected, so she sent it again and it came back clear, so she sent it in once more and it came back carrier. I am now concerned with the accuracy of the test. What are your thoughts on it. I hate to spend that large amount of money on a test that may not accurately evaluate my dog. 

Also this is a strange question, but the very end of my 16 month old bitch's nipple turned pink in color just this last week. What would cause that and is that anything that would be a problem in the breed ring? Thanks for your time and knowledge.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

There have been a few cases where the tests results of vWD have been mishandled. We'd be interested in copies of these tests so we might be able to see if this is a pattern and ask around for others. We depend a great deal on the accuracy of the DNA testing and if it's not handled correctly we need to know with facts, not rumours. If you'd like to write to us again privately equinox@shaw.ca and let us know which Laboratory your test was sent to, we might be able to get some answers for you.

As to the nipple turning pink, she may have irritated it or gotten a bug bite. Is it swollen or any discharge coming from it? Regardless, it would not be a problem in the breed ring unless it is unsightly.


Q: from Terri Kurz
Date: 13 Mar 2003
Time: 14:52:28


Comments: Ear Taping

Judy, the ear did not curl as it healed. It is a very long thin show crop. The first inch of the tip sways slightly backwards towards the other ear. Bending backward. If you look in the Doberman Digest, April 2002 on page 93 you can see an example. My girl's ear sways back, this dog's ear curls back. Thank you for your help.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

This looks as though it might still be a taping problem and hopefully can be fixed. I would be more inclined to think however that a re-crop may be necessary especially if the crop is long and only one ear is curling.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

My advice is to take a one inch piece of the insulation foam which comes in long rolled strips. I'd use the smallest width. Reverse tape this and place it on the area of the ear that starts to bend backward. Put it on the opposite side of the curl. Then take a strip of tape and run it from inside of ear over the tip and on the back of the ear. It's hard to explain in writing. The object is to reverse the curl with the foam at the break of curl.
Dr. Patty Edwards DVM did a few tapings at the National a couple years ago and she said it works very well. She ids also an expert on ear cropping and taping.

I hope this helps a little.


Q: from Ali Grimes
Date: 10 Mar 2003
Time: 14:42:20


Comments: Tail Docking

I have recently adopted a Doberman pup from the humane shelter. She has natural ears and tail. My question is what is involved in tail docking and at what age should that have been done?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Dobermans, Canada

How old is your puppy? If she is under 3 months of age cropping and docking can still be done. If she is older I would seriously consider NOT doing it.


Q: from V. Sridharan
Date: 09 Mar 2003
Time: 16:58:13


Comments: Doberman Conformation/Handling

What are the best exercises for improving the physical musculature of my Dobe bitch. She is a winner of 2 cc by 16 months age?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I'd suggest road working with bike or scooter, starting out at a slow trot for the first few weeks and building up to a little faster trot. You should only go a short distance at first. Make sure the surface is not going to damage her feet.

If she is one who stays well muscled, then just running and galloping in your yard may be sufficient.


Q: from M.E.Gray, III
Date: March 08, 2003
Time: 17:07:01

Comments: Training

Hello my name is Morrison Gray. I am trying to find a good school or trainer to help me with my 17 month old Doberman. His name is Dirt. I live in Baltimore, Maryland and like most Dobermans I know this puppy is smart as a whip. With proper training I can bring out the full potential in this dog. His color is fawn. I am also interested in any clubs in my area for Dobermans. Thanking you in advance.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

You might try contacting Carole Bohanan-Uhler. Her e-mail is huhler@netzero.net She lives in Maryland and might be able to send you to someone who can be of help.


Q: from Terri Kurz
Date: 06 Mar 2003
Time: 22:42:12


Comments: ear taping

Hello, I'm having a hard time with my 6 month old pups ears. They are standing but the tip on one ear is curling slightly back. I read all the taping instructions from this site. Did not find anything. Right now I'm trying a newspaper rolled into a tube almost pencil size. If you have any tips, please help. Thanks.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Is the tip curling *in* or *back* If it is curling back there is likely not much you can do with it as that is caused by poor taping and what has happened is that the scar tissue has drawn the ear into a curl as it healed.


Q: from Guido Fasce
Date: 05 Mar 2003
Time: 05:57:23


Comments: Health Problems

My Dobie is four months old and is having loss of hair and very dry coat. Also he doesn't seem to be able to gain weight and his stool is somewhat loose . I would appreciate any help that you can give me regarding my Dobie. Thank you.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Dobermans, Canada

It could be blue Dobe alopecia (if he is a blue) or it could be worms or almost anything else, regardless of color. We aren't vets and therefore not qualified to respond other than from our own experiences. You haven't given us much information to even give you some ideas but my suggestion would be to take your puppy to the vet as soon as possible.


Q: from April
Date: 04 Mar 2003
Time: 14:07:11


Comments: Feeding

I just read about a diet called barf, and according to the article this raw foods diet is supposed to make a healthier pooch with less health problems. Is this true and has anyone used this method of feeding and what are your experiences with it?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

There was a discussion about this issue on the site. Simply scroll a ways down the page of questions and answers or do a search on the page for BARF and you will find it. 


Q: from Dan Lacy
Date: 03 Mar 2003
Time: 18:52:11


Hello, I have a few questions for you, if you would not mind.

I read on your site that you should only breed a Doberman once every other season. I went to a a breeder that I found on your web site who had Dobe puppies. She asked me if I would like to see the mothers older pup's. I said sure. She then brought in a very beautiful 8 month old male Dobe. I asked her how often she produces litters from the mother. She said that she used to do it every other season but she went to a breeding seminar and an expert said that it was either good or ok (I'm not sure what exactly she said) to breed back to back like that and that it was the mothers second litter. Is she correct in breeding back to back like this?

Also we got to see the grandmother, she was on the large side (which we like, this is going to be a pet) however the mother was on the small side (the breeder said that she was perfect size for the American standard. What are the chances for the female pups being bigger than the mother, is there a stage that you can make an educated guess? Would I be wise to take the biggest female of the litter. Also we will not be breeding, we will have the pup spayed.

We saw an ad in the news paper, I asked the guy if the parents were OFA certified, he didn't know what that meant, I told him it was to guarantee that the hips were good and he said "yes I have had no problem with the parents hips". I asked him about VWD and he did not know about that either. The parents are on the site where the pups are, if I were to visit the parents and they had a temperament that I desired would it be wise to purchase from him, or should I skip him because of his lack of knowledge about OFA and VWD. He wants $550 for his pups and the breeder wants $1200 for a pet. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS A GOOD HEALTHY PET. We will pay top dollar for a pet that we know will not have serious health problems down the road.
Have you ever heard of an all black Dobe? Are these to be avoided like an albino Dobe? Thanks for your time and I look forward to your help. I am located in Plainfield Il about 50 minutes west of Chicago.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Dobermans, Canada

There are occasions where it is okay to breed back to back. For example, with a female that only had one puppy in her litter I would think it would be alright but I it is usually frowned upon.

Sometimes the smallest pups end up being the biggest dogs in the litter. Chances are with a bigger grandmother *some* of them will likely be on the larger side. However, it takes two partners to dance therefore dad's side has a lot of say in the matter as well naturally...

You get what you pay for in all walks of life. If a person doesn't know what health tests are called and that are required in their chosen breed then the prospective buyer should run as fast and as far in the opposite direction as they can. You'll pay far more in the long run for the resultant vet bills than the difference of $650 being discussed now. Naturally you could have health problems with a well bred dog too but the chances are far less likely.

If the dog in question was solid black, I would seriously doubt that it was indeed purebred, regardless of whether or not it has registration papers. They are not the genetic anomaly that the whites are but they are still wrong and very likely cross-bred. Did you know that one female dog can have innumerable mates in one heat cycle meaning that the pups can be sired by several different dogs????

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

While it is true that the rule of thumb is not to breed our bitches in back to back heat periods, there are exceptions to the rule. The reason that the breeder spoke of is one of the reasons. Maybe the first litter was small. Often times an expert will recommend this because the females estrogen levels stay up throughout this whole period and are higher at the following heat period. The reason goes on to say that the female in question has a better chance to have a larger litter.

On the size thing. Does the mother have good bone? We are suppose to breed to the standard and too large is a deviation. Dobermans, however are supposed to have heavy bone and it should be in balance with the whole. If the father is big too ( like the grand-mother) and his mother and father are big, you have a good chance of getting a substantial sized Doberman. Actually, in my opinion, all of our guesses at 8 weeks are just educated guesses. The largest one may not necessarily turn out to be the biggest but she probably will turn out to be big enough. I could probably give you more odds if I knew who all of the dogs are in the pedigree. I can tell you though, that I think that this breeder is being honest with you judging from what you say about her. 

Now, for the next breeder, red flags are going up all over the place. First of all, you should buy from a breeder that does all of the health testing for the health problems that Dobermans have. If we test and include the results into our breeding decisions we have a chance to breed a healthier dog for you. I would skip that person, not necessarily because he doesn't have much knowledge, but because of the fact he didn't go out and do the homework that you are doing and get some education before he just puts two dogs together to have puppies.

There is an article on the site about what to look for in a good breeder. Did you read that one? It is a new article.

Yes, I have heard of an all black Doberman and an all red one too. It has been a very long time and I have seen one of each, I think, in the seventies. This is called Melanism and occasionally we see Dobermans almost without the rust markings on the chest and/or lots of penciling on the feet or with what we call "muddy" markings.

Our standard calls for clearly defined markings and state where they should be. All of the above is a deviation and a Doberman with no markings at all would be, or should disqualified from the show arena.

There is a copy of the Doberman Standard on the site as well as an article and Discussion about the Standard on the site. I hope that I have covered all of your questions.

Thank you for visiting the site. There is a list of all the articles on this site that will help you find a good breeder too. The DPCA has a Public Education site as well that has many excellent articles about the Doberman and finding breeders, etc.

If you have more questions, please write back. I do travel for a living so I may not be able to answer right away but our Breeder/Exhibitor page has a Question and Answer forum that you can use and usually all three of us answer any question asked. The questions and the replies from us stay up on the site to help other too. Good luck. Marj


Q: from Ken
Date: 02 Mar 2003
Time: 04:18:02


Comments: Looking for a working Dobe/pet

I have always adored the Doberman Pinscher and am finally in a position to acquire my first. My informal research in this breed began four years ago, reading everything I have been able to access. This is the start of my formal search for a good breeder.

Background: I have always had dogs in one form or another in my family. From Chow-chows to Labradors to Pekinese. Currently we have a 3 year old Pomeranian in the family. We have no kids but do plan on having them in the next few years.

I am active and multi-disciplined. By trade I am a computer security consultant but am also a certified Military/Law Enforcement tracker, marksman and trainer.

I am looking for an intelligent WORKING DOG that may see action as a tracking dog/partner. I am NOT looking for a K-9 or police dog but am interested in a good friend/family member that can share the many activities in which I engage.

I live in Southern California but would not hesitate to visit a kennel elsewhere for the right breeder.

Finally, although I have no plans to show the dog, if the dog has promise I would be willing to devote the time for the sake of my partner.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

I am sorry but we do not refer people to breeders on this site. I suggest that you go to the DPCA Breeder Referral page by clicking on the link as a good place to start looking for that special dog for you. Good luck!


Q: from Michelle Crawford
Date: 02 Mar 2003
Time: 09:22:26


Comments: Child Preparation/Older dogs

Greetings. I have been learning about (and of course admiring!) the Doberman breed for about 2 years and while I do desire to have a Doberman become part of my family, I do not want to rush into the purchase of a dog. I feel I need advice on when would be a good time to introduce a dog into my family and also on whether my home is suitable.

The main reason for this is because I have two young boys with whom I stay at home, ages 4 and 2 years. I would very much appreciate your advice on how to prepare and educate my sons (and myself!) for responsible dog ownership and teach them proper manners towards dogs (especially in lieu of a dog!).

Also, I would be grateful for any thoughts you may have (aside form constant supervision, which I agree with completely!) on the compatibility of Dobermans and such young children.

I should also point out that instead of getting a puppy, I am really much more interested in adopting a mature dog from a Doberman rescue here in northern California (where I reside) or approaching breeders and asking about older dogs they might have available, and I wonder you would have any advice for me on that matter. I just felt that a more mature dog might be easier for my family and for myself.

I would like to learn to train my dog for obedience, and participate in a sport, perhaps Flyball, frisbee, or maybe (one day, when we are all very experienced!) Schutzhund. Would acquiring an older dog limit these possibilities or be a good beginning?

We own a 1400 sq ft. suburban home, have no other pets, and a fully fenced (6') but small (approx. 1400 sq. ft) back yard with a 5'x 40' dog run (side yard converted to a dog run per a previous owner) on the north side of my property. The dog would mainly be indoors. This would be my first time owning a Doberman and attempting anything higher than a "puppy manners"-type training group class.

Thank you for your time and thoughts.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

First of all I would strongly suggest that you wait until your children are over 5 years of age.

If you are, however, interested in adopting an older dog there are many of them available for forever homes, especially in your area. You could go to www.dobermanrescue.net to contact the people there, who, I am certain, would be more than happy to help you find a suitable dog in your area.


Q: from Jamie
Date: 02 Mar 2003
Time: 19:10:19


Comments: Grading the Doberman Puppy

Hi,
I have two 10 month old sisters that are very, very prey driven. My problem is the constant distraction from the squirrels to the point that they just don't concentrate on my commands. They both are very head strong. I have tried choke and pinch collars which the pinch helps while trying to heel them some. No matter what I do or use to bait them to get their attention doesn't help. I have tried taking them to places with no squirrels but can't get there very often for training. They have gone to obedience classes but the problem is here on our 5 acres. Anyone with any input on this would be helpful.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

I have buyers of mine that are working their dogs in obedience and are having one heck of a time getting through to them about the squirrels. The good news is, if you ever succeed you'll have a virtually bomb proof dog. Please feel free to contact Carla jayman@sprint.ca, Candice dobie.dogs@shaw.ca and Sylvia theseal@shaw.ca for obedience/distraction advice. You might also try Irene Quesnoy iqdobe@compuserve.com and/or Bonnie Wittrock bwittrock@macnet.com. Good luck!


Q: Gerry
 Date: 27 Feb 2003
Time: 16:30:34


Comments: Other

My 1 year old Dobie, Kane is always indoors with us, except when we are not home. I built him a 10 x 10 kennel in the backyard where he is safe from digging and trying to escape. This coming Monday, I am having some people come to do some work in the backyard while we're not here. The work will take all week. They will probably be arriving after my wife and I have already left for work. My concern is that when Kane sees them back there, he will freak out. He is extremely well socialized, but this is his territory being invaded by strangers. I am trying to make arrangements to change my work schedule so that I work afternoons, but that might not work out. Any advice?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Here are some suggestions for you to try:


Q: Kay Timperio
Date: 27 Feb 2003
Time: 16:17:04


Comments: Health

Our 4yr. old red Dobe has been diagnosed at the Tech Teaching Hospital with
Gastrointestinal Lymphomas. She was given 6 weeks to live with no treatment. I was also told maybe 1year with Chemotherapy. Is there any other information out there?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox Dobermans, Canada

Please got to the following links:

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

You might go to Google for example and type in Veterinarians and then do a search for her diagnosis of Gastrointestinal Lymphoma on the sites that may come up.
There are also Veterinarians that belong to this site who might answer you or they may be articles on this that you haven't heard of yet. Good luck.

By the way, usually Chemotherapy on dogs is fairly easy on them, not at all like it is with humans.


Q: from Frank Evans
Date: February 25, 2003
Time: 17:16:28


Comments: Doberman History

My name is Frank Evans and I'm doing research on a gentleman very involved with your early organization, Mr. Forest C. Bowles. From what I gather, Mr. Bowles was quite active as a breeder and judge, in fact his daughter shared with me a plaque presented to him by DPCA bestowing on him the title "Mr. Doberman". In addition, I'm told he was credited in the writing of the Standard as it was used in the early 20's and 30's.

I would be most interested in someone from your archives contacting me to discuss any information you may have on this gentleman.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

You should contact Ms. Nancy Heitzman: Kamricdobe@aol.com as she is Chair of the DPCA Archives. I'm sure she could tell you more about Mr. Bowles. I knew Mr. Bowles slightly but only as a judge. I hope that helps a little.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

Hello Frank, Nancy Heitzman is in charge of the archives and knows quite a lot of DPCA's history. You might contact her at Kamricdobe@aol.com.


Q: from Judy Larson
Date: 22 Feb 2003
Time: 03:52:28

Comments: Doberman Conformation/Handling

Why are we ruining the Doberman breed here in our country by making them so fine boned and greyhound looking? Looking back at old pictures of Peggy Adamson’s Dobes one can see the substance and beautiful head types of her males and especially females in almost every Damasyn Dobe. Did we forget that Dobes are working dogs?

A: from Marj Brookes, Manorie, USA

I am sorry to have to admit that I am seeing that too. However, the standard has not changed since the days of Damasyn, Browns and Ahrtal and other Dobermans at the time that you are speaking of.

I don't know where you are from, but I do see some Dobermans that look like working dogs today as well. We are aware that elegant does not mean refined.

Where and what is your source of information for the opinion that you have formed?
There is an article on the breeder-education articles page that has a discussion of the standard as well as the standard.


Q: from Ericka
Date: February 24, 2003
Time: 10:51 AM


Hi. My male Bull Mastiff has whip worms. My other male does not as of yet. I read that panacur is effective for treatment. Where can this be purchased? What about an interceptor? I would appreciate any and all advice you have on this.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

You can obtain Panacur from your Vet. He/she will most likely require a stool sample. Interceptor may be good for control, but not for eliminating the worms.

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A: from Marj Brookes, Manorie, USA
Hello Ericka. Panacur is effective. You have to get it from the veterinarian. Interceptor controls it to a degree but it does not cure them of the worms. The vet will probably want a stool sample.


Q: from Liz Gentile
Date: 23 Feb 2003
Time: 13:36:31


Comments: other

If a breeding pair produce a dominant black puppy in their all black litter, and the sire has produced reds previously, does that mean that the dam is a dominant black bitch?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Not necessarily. You can have a large litter of all one color and yet the "possible" next puppy might be another color.

Example: A friend of mine whelped 12 all black puppies whose parents were both black. A few hours later she whelped a blue puppy. Had that last puppy not been born they would have thought either sire or dam might be dominant black as both their parents were also black.

How do you know your pup is dominant black?

REPLY:  from Liz Gentile

Thank you for the reply to my question. Judy Doniere asked me how I know my puppy is a dominant black. The puppy was DNA tested by her buyer and found not to carry the red gene so the buyer was thrilled and told me that the dam is a dominant black since the sire is not.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

This is not necessarily true. Both sire and dam could be carrying a recessive or even a dilute but because they are both black, it's possible to have one or more black puppies end up as dominant black.

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A: from Marj Brookes, Manorie, USA

There is a color chart on this site. I think that with these results the dam could very well be dominate black. A person wouldn't know for sure about the dilution factor without a pedigree and some knowledge of the background. At least you couldn't rule it out. Has the male that produced red before sired blue and/or fawns before?

The color chart will show you all of the combinations and the possible results for the puppies.

REPLY:  from Liz Gentile

Marj, The sire has not produced blues or fawns.


Q: from Judy York
Date: 22 Feb 2003
Time: 03:47:15


Comments: Health

My Doberman has a knot on the top of her head. It has always been there. Is this something that some Doberman's have?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I assume you're referring to the Occipital bone at the top of the skull. This is normal although most heads flatten out with maturity, some may continue to show it especially on dogs who are underweight.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Where on her head is knot or bump? It could be the occiput, the bump at the back of the skull, between the ears, which all dogs have. Some are more pronounced than others. She could have high or rounded frontal bones. (the bones above the eyes on top of the head).


Q: from Al Duque
Date: 21 Feb 2003
Time: 22:17:07


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

What breeds are mixed to create a miniature Doberman?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

The Min Pin is not a smaller version of anything, especially the much larger Doberman Pinscher. Both may have descended from the German Pinscher, a medium-sized black and tan dog bred to control vermin in the barnyard, but there the relationship ends. The Doberman includes Rottweiler and perhaps the Black and Tan Terrier. the Min Pin reportedly came from crosses with breeds as diverse as the Dachshund and the Italian Greyhound.

Part of the confusion in origin comes from the word "pinscher," which is a descriptive term like "terrier" or "setter" that denotes the dog's method of working, not his heritage. In the German dialect, "pinscher" means "biter" and derives from the dog's habit of jumping on and fiercely biting its quarry. The German pinscher family includes the Affenpinscher, a toy breed with a wiry coat, and the schnauzers. The name may also be borrowed from the English "pincher," meaning "one who seizes or pinches."

The Min Pin is also not related to the Manchester Terrier in either the standard or toy sizes. The Manchester is an English breed; the Min Pin hails from Germany.


Q: from KH LeMarr
Date: 21 Feb 2003
Time: 21:57:27


Comments: Doberman Temperament

My rescue male, neutered, 3 yr old bites when you are petting him and he has broken skin. This has happened about 3 times in the last 6 months. These bites are unprovoked. He is loving in every way.

He has been on thyroid meds for about a year. How often should the thyroid be retested? He has an appointment for retesting. Could this possibly be the problem.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I would certainly have his Thyroid checked every 6 mo. to make sure he's getting the right dosage he needs.

I don't want to blame the thyroid problem although it may be instrumental in his biting problem, I would think this is his temperament. If he bites only when petting him, are you trying to hug him at the same time? Many dogs resent this. If it's just petting and he is fine otherwise, don't pet him. Any bite should be a caution. If he gets by with it, he will continue and may get worse. Try taking him back to your Vet and see what he/she says.

Otherwise, I consult with a trainer who specializes in temperament problems.

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A: from Marj Brookes, Manorie, USA

Probably not, but he should be tested for thyroid yearly. I believe that the biting is inappropriate, but you need to let him know that it is wrong. Is he playing with you (play biting) or is he growling or trying to be the boss. You need to nip this in the bud, now. Tell him no.

Depending on how he is manifesting this behavior determines the course of action to be taken. Tell us more and/or go to a knowledgeable trainer/behaviorist.


Q: from David McLeod
Date: 15 Feb 2003
Time: 19:55:29


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

Hi,

Where can I find a great quality working class and a quality show Doberman? Please email me back. Thanks.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Where exactly are you located? There are breeders I can possibly refer you to in your area and you could also check out the DPCA Breeders Directory.


Q: from Melody
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 03:32:42


Comments: Depression?

I acquired an 8 year old, well-trained, male Doberman (Dakota) about a year ago now, making him currently 9. Although he is a "family" dog, he is MY dog. Our family seems to have bonded exceptionally well and I truly believe he's happier here. I like the old owner but don't think he gave Dakota the attention he craves. He has never been aggressive, will wear out all of the kids wrestling with him, and will literally do the most hysterical jumps and flips if he thinks he's going bye-bye. A couple of weeks ago, his old owner stayed with us for a couple of days. Whenever the old owner gave Dakota a command, Dakota would look at me and not do anything until I told him to but other than that he acted fine. Since the old owner left Dakota really hasn't been his old self. I know this sounds ridiculous, but he acts depressed. I can still get him to play or he'll get excited to go somewhere but otherwise he just seems to mope around the house. Can he be depressed?

Also, (sorry this is so long) what are some of the health issues to expect for him as he gets older? He's in excellent health now according to the vet - nothing wrong with his hips, no fatty deposits, or anything like that.

Any info is greatly appreciated.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

Dakota could very well be depressed. Take him for leash walks and spend some one on one time with him and resume your usual daily routine with him like you were doing before his former owner came to visit. In due time he should come around. Watch him closely too as he may not be feeling well physically. That could also make him be depressed. Have you taken his temperature and is he eating? Other than the depression, is he acting normal?

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A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Of course he can be depressed but more than likely he may be somewhat confused. If it were me I wouldn't allow the old owner to give Dakota any commands when he comes to visit...it is no longer his place to do so. I believe then as time goes by your dog will come to fully understand that your home is his home.


Q: from Wendy
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 19:03:03


Comments: Doberman Health

My Doberman is 7 or 8 years old and is a female. I am taking her to the vet because of a sack like thing hanging from her stomach, close to the back of her belly. It looks like it is full of baseballs but I don't know what they are. It appears to be a mass of tissue so I think it is tumours and I am worried that the vet will want to put her to sleep. I lost a male last year he was about 9 close to 10 he has liver disease and he was put to sleep. I am very worried about this and would appreciate a response as soon as possible. I really need to know what to expect. Thank you

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

I can understand your fears, but you should take her to the vet and have it checked. If you have caught it in time you can have it treated, if it is what you fear that it is. Your vet should be able to direct you far better than we can on this one.

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A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

You don't mention how long your bitch has had this "sac." Did it just come on quickly? It sounds like mammary tumor(s). Get her to the Vet as soon as possible! It may be that all that's needed is removal of her breasts. If it's cancer hopefully it hasn't metastasized or gone into the lung.

Only a Vet can be positive. Don't wait. Get to a Vet now.


Q: from Wendy
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 17:13:25


Comments: Doberman Health

I took my female Doberman to the vet yesterday and he said the sack is cancer but we are going to do a biopsy to see if it is malignant and then we will decide what to do. He said if it is malignant we will probably have to put her to sleep and if not he can take the sack off and she will be okay.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Its too bad that you waited until your bitch got this bad before taking her to the Vet. Any malignancy IS Cancer unfortunately. To put her down is probably the most humane thing to do with her.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

I am so sorry. I will hope and pray for the best for her to be okay.


Q: from Gina
Date: 11 Feb 2003
Time: 19:57

Hi my name is Gina. I have a question for you. I do truly hope you can answer it for me. I recently obtained a beautiful male Doberman. His name is Oz. He is 2 1/2 years old. The question is this; I am needing to know his ancestry. How do I go about finding out the information I need? I would like to know where his roots lie. If there was any previous defects down his family tree.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

First of all, where did you get your dog? Did you buy from a breeder? Does he have AKC registration papers? If so, it's fairly easy to trace his pedigree. Answer the first questions I asked and we'll go from there.


Q: from Gina
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 11:48

Yes he is registered. I got him from a woman in a surrounding area. His name is Sunz Black Cherokee Codie.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Since this dog is AKC registered you can send in to AKC for a 4 or 5 generation pedigree. Go to the AKC web site and you will find how to do it or you could call AKC and they will tell you how to get a Certified pedigree. It is not too cost prohibitive.

You will need to the Dog's registered name and registration number as well as the name of the breeder and owner.


Q: from Malissa
Date: 08 Feb 2003
Time: 23:29:17


Comments: Feeding your puppy

Do you have any recommendations on the best dog food to be feeding my new 5 month old puppy?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Any of the top quality foods such as Wysong, Canidae, Eagle Pack and the like are fine. There are indeed many other acceptable brands as well. Each dog is different so you may have to try different brands. Do not buy anything that you can get off the shelf in your local grocery store.

Many people also follow the BARF (bones and raw food) diet. If you are inclined to consider this method simply click on the link above to be taken to a section about BARF on this page.


Q: from Sandy James
Date: 08 Feb 2003
Time: 21:48:28


Comments: Doberman Conformation/Handling

Could you please send me the rules for the Top Twenty Competition? I need them ASAP. Thank You!

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

About the Top 20 rules question. Dr. Sam Burke, BO@SOFTDISK.COM  is the chairman for all of the Top 20. Joni Kahn is the Top 20 conformation chairperson, jmkahntex@aol.com  Top 20 Obedience chairperson is Karen Anderson, epondltd@aol.com Top 20 agility chairperson is Carol Moore, cmoore@infinet.com , for the rules she could contact whatever one that she is interested in or Dr. Burke.


Q: from Benjamin
Date: 07 Feb 2003
Time: 06:20:09


Comments: Boxer ear cropping

My boxer is 3.5 months old and just got the second taping removed from a ear cropping, it was taped twice because the first time didn't work on one ear. We massage it they way our vet told us but it isn't as straight as it should be. Now it is a lot better but still isn't nearly as straight as the "good ear". Is there any way to help the ear stay up with out taping it again?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Actually, you are lucky that the ears are up with just a couple tapings. There is no way to straighten out an ear without taping more.

You didn't say if the ear was leaning in any direction or if the ear was curling at the top or if it was hanging down. All may be taped in a different manner. I would go to our Taping Ears section and read up on it. You may have to tape the ears several times as the puppy is just now in the teething stages and many times ears do crazy things.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

No, you will need to re-tape your puppies ears most likely many more times. Tape both ears. There is an article on taping ears on this web-site in the articles section. You will want then to stand tall at the 12 o'clock position, facing neither inward nor outward. It takes time and work but you will be happy in the end.


Q: from Malissa
Date: 07 Feb 2003
Time: 05:26:49


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

When should a Doberman puppy have its ears cropped done surgically? When should a Dobe start have their ears taped? How long do you continue the taping process?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

If you read the articles at www.dpca-breedered.com/article_menu.htm and the replies to the questions in the Q & A Archives you will see this question has been asked previously and an appropriate response given plus you will be able to find our pages on eartaping. Thank you for visiting our site.


Q: from Laura Brinker
Date: 05 Feb 2003
Time: 19:10:53

Comments: Doberman Health

I don't know if I'm emailing the correct place...but, I need to know more about the Dobie skin/coat. My new Dobie is 9 months old and his skin looks prickly/bumpy/rough. It's shiny though. I fear what I may find out. I have him on Nature's Recipe diet and it has helped but I hope it is not a sign of a much larger problem. Can you help me with web sites or information from you that will help? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

I think that you need to put your dog on a regime of Keflex (Cephalexin) 500 mg 3 times a day for a month. It sounds as though your dog is suffering from folliculitus (spelling) or in layman's terms a staph infection of the hair follicles.
Of course, I am not a veterinarian, but this disorder is very common for Dobermans and your dog is at the right age for it's normal onset. You will need to go to your veterinarian to get the medications.

Now, at least, you have this information to share with your vet.

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A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

You could take a look at the following sites regarding folliculitis:


Q: from Gerry
Date: 29 Jan 2003
Time: 15:50:20

Comments: Pet Insurance

Just a follow up. I've narrowed it down to VPI (www.petinsurance.com) and Petcare (www.petcareinsurance.com). Does anyone have any experience with either of these?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

Unfortunately I haven't, not personally. I suspect they are both good companies though. Either one would be infinitely preferable to no insurance at all. <S


Q: from Gerry
Date: 26 Jan 2003
Time: 17:33:10


Comments: Pet Insurance

Yesterday we had to put down my wife's ferret. He was about 8 years old (very old for a ferret) and had two tumors removed already. To make a long story short, part of the decision, though not the main concern, to put him down was financial. This got me thinking about my Dobie, Kane who turned 1 year old on Monday. If he ever gets seriously ill to the point where I have to make this kind of decision I don't want financial matters to be a consideration. So I'm looking at pet insurance. Any pros, cons, recommendations, good or bad, or any other comments and/or advice would be appreciated. 

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

There are several pet insurances out there. AKC has one on their web site I think. Check into all of the benefits and prices and make your decision.

I think if you can afford the insurance it would be good to have as you don't want to face a major illness or surgery and not be able to pay for it.

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A: from Judy Bohnert, Canada

I know of a few links that he could check out too (see below):


Q: from Lana Rowlison
Date: 25 Jan 2003
Time: 13:17:58

Comments: Reading Pedigrees

Where can I find a listing to explain the different color codes. Just got a new Dobie and would like to know what these mean: Type 7, Type 8, etc.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

You can try either of the following links in order to learn more about color codes: www.dpca-breedered.com/colorinheritance.htm or www.akc.org.


Q: from Sheral Foster
Date: 23 Jan 2003
Time: 19:42:35


Comments: Doberman Health

More on the Dobe with the nasal discharge for 8 plus weeks: I did not mention that the discharge is mostly from one nostril and at times is quite bloody. She seems to be doing better on some days and then worse on others. We suspect that the Leukeran is very hard on her and has some undesirable side effects (the dose was every other day which coincides with the days she seems worse). We have changed antibiotics and will have another culture done.

She also takes a variety of holistic medicines including one for the immune system. She initially had a scope of the nasal passage to rule out tumours. Should we consider another scope? Our concerns are about the added risk of being anesthetized. She had been extremely congested and Vicks Nyquil is the only thing giving her any relief. Hopefully this will help others. Thanks so much for your response.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Before I would scope her again I'd do another culture of the mucous and see if there is another antibiotic that would be better to use and find out what the bacteria is that's causing this. If nothing more is shown on this culture I'd go ahead and do the scope.

Something is very wrong. Have you made sure there is no possibility of any foreign matter such as a weed, or seeds that might have migrated up the nostril?


Q: from Linda
Date: 22 Jan 2003
Time: 02:52:46


Comments: Other

What age is to old to cut the ears?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

12 weeks would be my latest age.


Q: from Cherlyn
Date: 21 Jan 2003
Time: 03:11:38


Comments: Doberman Health

My Doberman has lump on his back leg and his chest. They look like a goose egg. They do not hurt him when touched. What is it?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

They're likely just fat deposits...you never said how old your Doberman is? If he is elderly that may be what they are. If he is young they could be histiocytomas which are benign tumours. Are they hard or soft to the touch?


Q: from Janet Oatney
Date: 20 Jan 2003
Time: 21:13:36

Comments: Dobes & cats

I am currently engaged and will be combining households with my fiancé and his two cats. Neither one of the cats have been around dogs much & my male Doberman (Am/Int Ch CD ROM CGC) does tolerably well with cats that stand up to him.....one big swat & hiss and he will give them a wide berth.

Unfortunately these cats tend to be of the "skittish" variety. My boy is well trained and will listen & respond to my commands, however, he has a an active prey drive. Currently, they are kept apart, we have a large indoor run & outside yard that my guy stays in when I visit & the cats stay shut up when he comes into the main house. My plan is to gradually introduce him, on lead, in a controlled environment. Any suggestions on how to manage the first "introduction" in a way that minimizes conflict? 

Realistically, I know that they can never be trusted without supervision, but would like a peaceful "demilitarized zone" household. Any suggestions (other than - forget it <vbg) will be greatly appreciated.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I don't have any cats but have in the past. I would most likely keep them separated most of the time since all are older animals. Now, having said that it's possible that you could introduce them gradually. I'd keep the dog on a lead while sitting down and let one of the cats in the room. If the dog becomes aggressive and growls or carries on in a menacing manner, and the cat would run out of the room, it's not going to be easy.

If the cat would walk up to the dog (eventually) and the dog just wants to sniff it and is interested in it, I'd say things might go ok later. Then try the other cat, putting the first one out of the room. See what happens then. Never let the dog off lead at first.

If both seem to settle down and pay no attention to each other, let both cats back in the room and leave when they start ignoring each other, you might let the dog out at the end of the lead to sniff both. If the cats snarl and bat and he backs off, but does not become vocal or aggressive I think things will work out. Do this constantly for several days and once they realize all are going to stay, I think it would be possible for them to get along. Cats can usually run and hid or jump up on something to keep out of the dogs way if he becomes aggressive towards them.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

I have cats too and this is a method that I have used successfully. We need the cats to learn to trust the dog enough not to run from the dog. I find that if the cats don't run away the dogs learn to ignore them. To do this, I set up the cats in a cage or cages (wire crate is good) in the main room that everybody will be spending relaxing time in while you are watching TV or what have you. Usually during that time the dogs are lying around with you.

Allow the dog to go up to the cage and quietly sniff the cats and then command the dog to take his place (lay down somewhere). Do that for several days and then eventually you will be able to eliminate the cages.

This all takes time but sooner or later the cats will mill around the house with the well mannered dog. The dog will be able someday go to the cats and nose them and the cats just may go up to the dog and do the same. In my household the cats and dogs and I mill around the house together.

I doubt that the cats (if they will be allowed outside) will try to mill around in the dog yard but if they do, your boy may not allow that. They can have the rest of the world but not his yard. Just use your common sense and you can introduce them and live in harmony.


Q: from Sheral Foster
Date: 20 Jan 2003
Time: 19:39:23


Comments: Doberman Health

My Dobe is 9.75 yrs old and has been very healthy, no hip or mobility problems. She has been having nasal discharge for 8 weeks that has not responded to steroids (oral and nasal), antibiotics and lastly Leukeran. She does not have a temp, scope and culture only show inflammation and possible allergy. Any news on anything like this?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

Sounds like you've done about everything I could suggest for her. An Allergy at this age sounds remote ... however anything is possible I guess. I'd be inclined to do another nasal culture of the discharge and see if there are any changes. Another antibiotic may be the answer. Stay away from any sulpha type drugs as most Dobes cannot tolerate them. Check around your house and yard for anything that may be the culprit just to be sure. How about any food changes although usually these don't cause this type of reaction. Its possible another Vet might give you a second opinion.


Q: from Jim
Date: 17 Jan 2003
Time: 16:16:27


Comments: Doberman Conformation/Handling

Hello, I just discovered this web page and I thank you for the opportunity to interact with the experts. Here are my questions (more of a comment and then question):.....I have not been involved long in conformation, just one complete year but have owned Dobes since 1980. I have tried to educate myself well on the breed and standard especially with regards to conformation judging. I have noticed this past year two issues that I find perplexing:

MANY Dobes are much taller than the standard calls for and they are the one's most often seen winning. I've got a dog who is exactly 27 1/2" and he is often smaller than the 6-9 month puppies out there .... why should judges be putting dogs up that are clearly not in the standard? Is there any effort to educate them or direct them to take notice of this?

Also, this past year MANY dogs are winning with the ski-slope back. Most seem to be out of one particular stud dog. In fact, some are at such an angle that I've seen them walked on the go-around because they have absolutely no drive yet the judges seem to favour this sort of topline every time one of these dogs competes. Do they not know this severely angled topline should be looked upon unfavourably rather than favourably? When I look back to many years past and compare the toplines then to today's dogs, I can almost see the Dobe becoming more like a GSD with that severe angle of topline and crouching back legs.

I have talked with other owners/breeders and they have voiced similar sentiments so I don't think it's because I'm relatively new to conformation. Could you please comment on this and what is being done to better educate the judges?

Thanks again, I appreciate the opportunity to voice my thoughts.

A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie, USA

I will take a stab at answering your questions. Yes there is something being done to educate the judges within the DPCA. Go to http://www.DPCA.org site and click onto the Judges Education link for some information. They are trying to teach the judges our standard and how to judge to our standard. They try to teach what is correct and that the judge must decide what dog is the closest conforming to the standard with the deviations penalized to the extent of the deviation.

As far as height goes, a 27 1/2 inch male is ideal. The size for males ranges from 26" to 28", so a 28" dog is within the standard. A 28 1/4 inch dog is a deviation, but just one. Your number 2 example is a present problem in our breed right now and it seems to be in constant discussion around the country.

We are having a problem in our breed with the second thigh bone being longer than the upper thigh bone and they are suppose to be equal. The upper and the lower thigh bone are also supposed to be equal to the shoulder blade and the upper arm for the forequarters and rear quarters to be in balance to one another. For me this deviation creates many deviations to our standard, all of them you mention in your comments.

Every year the DPCA's Judges Education committee puts on a 2 day seminar to educate people who want to become Doberman judges and people who are already judging Dobermans. It is a pretty good seminar according to the attendees and as compared to other seminars that they attend. They spend a great deal of time studying the standard and its interpretation.

The DPCA has a mentoring program for people who are judging the Doberman and for those who want to judge the Doberman. Speaking of the mentoring program, you can suggest to the mentoring program chairperson (the name is on the Judges Education link) a judge that you may think needs more mentoring. You should be able to give a reason why.

I will say, however that a judge can only judge what is brought before him/her. One judge, this year at the national, commented that sometimes when they are judging that they do not see any dog that they would like to see and they have to choose the one that is the closest to the standard in their opinion.

I realize that I may not have answered this very well. All I can say is that there is an educational program out there for the judges and the breeders that is trying to get breeders to learn the standard and breed to the standard as they understand it and the judges to judge our Dobermans to the standard too. In fact, that is what this Breeders Education site is all about and also the breeders seminars that we put on at the nationals each year. The goal is to get everybody onto the same page which is the standard and not deviate from the standard at all. We cannot breed or judge what we like in a Doberman unless it is in the standard.

I hope this helps some.


Q: from Jenny Scott
Date: 15 Jan 2003
Time: 19:52:38


Comments: Yorkie

How old should Yorkie males be before they are used for breeding?

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

No male of any breed should be used at stud or bred before all the required health testing has been done at least and then only the best quality of dog should be used. There are far too many unwanted dogs in shelters already.


Q: from Bob
Date: 15 Jan 2003
Time: 18:16:09


Comments: Chewing & Rawhides

Are rawhide bones good for Dobermans? I get mixed opinions - some say they are and some not. Also, is it true that rawhide manufactured outside the US is not safe. It does not seem possible/how could it get past USDA etc.? What is a good chewing alternative to rawhide for Dobies.

A: from Judy Bohnert, Equinox, Canada

There is nothing wrong with rawhide bones for dogs in my opinion. I have given them to my dogs for years. However, I watch them closely as they are chewing them in case the rawhide gets to the size that can be swallowed whole then I take it away from the dog thus avoiding a blockage.

I was told some years ago by a woman that ran a pet shop that the bulk white rawhides are cured with arsenic and since I have no idea if it is true or not I simply err on the side of caution and only give my dogs the bulk yellow ones.


Q: from Jonathan Moore
Date: 06 Jan 2003
Time: 23:55:06

Comments: Breeding the Doberman

I have just recently tried to stud my Dobe out. He is just at a year and he could not perform his duty. The breeder brought both him and the female to a Vet where they tried artificially impregnating the female. The attempts to get sperm from my male failed. What do you think is the problem? The vet said since he is babied that might have something to do with it. Thank you for your response.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

If he is over 10 months it can be done...however waiting until he is well over a year is much better.

With most virgin males, they are much smarter than we are in predicting the ovulation time of the bitch. Many will not be at all interested and if they seem to be and mount they can't find "where to put it" or which end to use. Most of the time breeders try their dogs too early.

My advice is to try Morning and Evening until her 20th day. I'd only let them try for 15 -20 minutes at the most. If they are still not interested, separate them.

A-I's don't usually work if the male is not interested for the reasons I've stated above. However, most Vets who do this often can usually obtain the sperm for the insemination. Rarely in these cases does the bitch get pregnant. SHE JUST ISN'T READY.
I would like to think that you and the breeder will wait until both are old enough to get all the necessary health testing done BEFORE breeding. OFA cannot be done until after the dogs are 2 years of age.


Q: from Sonni Butterfield
Date: 05 Jan 2003
Time: 18:51:06


Comments: Breeding the Doberman

Would you recommend breeding a rust and black female that is 18 months old to a red male that is 7 years old?

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

We are not in a position to recommend any breedings but if you are referring to the age difference, that should not be a problem.

The only factor is that a bitch only 18 months old is still not old enough to have her hips and elbows x-rayed for submission to OFA (Orthopedic Foundation of America). I would certainly wait until after 2 years of age to breed her. Both the sire and the dam should have OFA's, Cardio tests by EKG and Ultrasound, Chest X-rays, Vetgen vWD DNA testing and a full Thyroid panel done as well as a general health check-up. Any and all breeding stock should be health tested prior to breeding in order to be a reputable, responsible breeder.

I would also suggest having the male's sperm tested and his prostate checked before breeding to make sure he is still fertile and has no prostate problems.


Q: from Debra Mahan
Date: 03 Jan 2003
Time: 23:31:08


Comments: Doberman Health

I have a 13 year old fawn male Doberman (you know, the genetic throw-back ones). His health is not very well and never has been. He has always had dry, flaky skin and thin hair.

I started putting olive oil on his food and he loved it and it almost immediately increased his skin condition from bad to good. He is getting on up in years and his skin is getting bad again. He has numerous bumps, small and large, all over his body. They are just under the skin. He does have some fatty tumors but I had them tested and they are benign.

What I need to know is what is the usual life expectancy of Dobermans, especially the fawn ones? I am going to be moving and don't know if I can take him with me but I don't have the heart to put him down. He is such a good baby and has such a wonderful personality. Please give me your thoughts.

A: from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

PLEASE don't put your companion down if he is in otherwise good health. All
old dogs may have benign lumps and bumps. If it's a staph infection, your
Vet can give you medication to clear it.

As to how old a "fawn" can be expected to live…it makes no difference because of color. Your boy has lived a nice long life and may live another year or so. Just because you are intending to move should not be a reason to disregard your faithful companion. That would be like getting rid of a child that might cause a little inconvenience in moving.
He doesn't have too many more days, months, years left, so please give him the love and attention he deserves in the meantime.

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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

A 13 year old Doberman! Wow, you have a gift! You are soooooooooo lucky to have a healthy 13 year old Doberman. The coat condition with the fawn color is common with fawns and blues. There is an article in the breeders web site about the blues and fawn and their coats. The fatty tumors just come with age.

The average life expectancy in a Doberman is approximately 8 - 9 years of age. Many Dobermans do live to be over that age. The older guys are so wonderful, in my opinion. Please keep your old guy until it is time to let him go. You will happy that you did.
I had a male Doberman that lived to be 15 plus before I lost him to lung cancer. I wanted him to live until he was at least 20 years of age. He was strong and went out to get the daily paper and chased the ball and the sticks until he had to go to the Rainbow Bridge. I enjoyed every second of the time that I had with that wise old dog.


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